Black mom is horrified with the confederate flag T-shirts

[Antonio the Sixth]

Everybody should be horrified by Confederate flags, in any circumstance.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I, personally, find the French tricolour to be a symbol of murder, theft, general lawlessness and deranged anti-clericalism, and certainly believe that the only good use for it is as something to wipe one's backside with. However, we're not banning the French tricolour, therefore I'm not on board with banning the Confederate Battle Flag either

You're starting from the - very dubious - assumption that your opinion has any relevance to this issue.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Not really - I'm just a simple man making my own observations, I don't claim to have any specialist insight into this matter, nor any real personal stake in it. People don't have to read my opinions, and if they do and don't like them, well, that's there business. I don't claim to be an expert. However, given that neither of us are American, neither of us lived during the Civil War or Reconstruction era, and neither of us, I presume, have any real personal stake in this matter, I don't particularly see why you should be accusing me of having an irrelevant opinion when yours is at least as irrelevant as me own.

That was my point. Your opinion is irrelevant, as is mine. The opinion of a vast group of people that has been systematically oppressed throughout US history, and still suffers from the remnants of this oppression as well as from its long-term economic consequences, is however perfectly legitimate in asking the assholes who proudly wear the symbol of one of the most vicious aspects of this oppression to kindly go f**k themselves with a jackhammer.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Not really - I'm just a simple man making my own observations, I don't claim to have any specialist insight into this matter, nor any real personal stake in it. People don't have to read my opinions, and if they do and don't like them, well, that's there business. I don't claim to be an expert. However, given that neither of us are American, neither of us lived during the Civil War or Reconstruction era, and neither of us, I presume, have any real personal stake in this matter, I don't particularly see why you should be accusing me of having an irrelevant opinion when yours is at least as irrelevant as me own.

That was my point. Your opinion is irrelevant, as is mine. The opinion of a vast group of people that has been systematically oppressed throughout US history, and still suffers from the remnants of this oppression as well as from its long-term economic consequences, is however perfectly legitimate in asking the assholes who proudly wear the symbol of one of the most vicious aspects of this oppression to kindly go f**k themselves with a jackhammer.

Exactly the same could be said of Native Americans and the U.S flag. But I mean, you generalise. African-Americans are not a hive mind; sure, it's probable that most have little to no sympathy for the Confederate flag. However, to claim that most would like to see this symbol aggressively expunged is perhaps a little more shaky. Of course, I would also argue that people who get jumpy at the display of a flag that has not seen any official use in 150 years, and one whose use as a symbol of unabashed white supremacy is limited to a few fringe groups that enjoy little effective popular support need to cool their jets. But, of course, that's my opinion.

Yes, I'm sure many Native Americans feel this way about the US flag, and they would be right. An Algerian would also have good reason to be disgusted at the sight of a French flag (and wouldn't a guy wearing a French flag on his T-shirt while walking the streets of Algiers be rightfully called out as an asshole?). The difference is that France and the US, as bad as they might have been, weren't founded to the single and explicit purpose of preserving one of the vilest forms of oppression mankind has ever seen.