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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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« on: December 21, 2013, 11:00:09 AM »

Oh look, the so-edgy forum clique is at it again. Roll Eyes
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2013, 12:08:11 PM »

Here we go, the official Sexual Liberation Crusaders all united to save humanity from the peril of someone on the forum having a slightly different viewpoint!
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2013, 01:36:58 PM »

I happen to differ with Antonio's views as well, but there's a fine line between discussion, sometime fierce but nonetheless a discussion, and a little mob mentality.

At risk of sounding awfully moderate heroish, I wish there could be a larger middle ground between extreme social libertine individualism and the holier than thou moralism telling us we should feel ashamed and immoral for looking at porn and wanking; or hell, for just finding a person of the opposite (or same, if that's your thing) sex attractive and talking about that. I don't feel ashamed, patriarchal, objectifying or whatever when I think that J-Law is an extremely attractive person and I don't appreciate holier than thou moralism which tells me that I should.

I think I come across as more radical than I really am, mostly as a result of knee-jerk reactions to the kind of libertarianish drivel which constantly dominates any discussion about sexuality on this forum. For some reason, this has become one of my pet peeves (along with people who criticize the Welfare state, anti-Obama hacks, or many other examples). Thus, yeah, I sometimes tend to err on the other side and it's not very well received.

So, just to reassure you, what you're describing here aren't really my actual views. Yes, I said one should feel bad after watching porn, but does that really mean that much? We all do things we feel we shouldn't be doing. I feel bad after eating too much, or for wasting time on an internet forum instead of working on a paper I have to hand in for Monday - but this doesn't prevent me from doing it. Tongue Nor do I advocate actively shaming other people. That would be taking it a step to far, for sure. Also, I don't think I ever said you can never comment on a woman's attractiveness (come on, do I really come across this way?). There are just appropriate and less appropriate settings to do that, and the main criterion to respect is always to question oneself as to how what you say may be received by others. I also don't think I have all the answers about this, I often wonder what is appropriate or not, and I'm open for discussion on this point (though there are certain views on the topic I'd rather dismiss from the outset).

Anyway, bottom line is: sorry if I sometimes overplay it, and let's try to finally have more mature discussions on the subject.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,380
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2013, 08:06:26 PM »

So yeah, I have to apologize for getting too carried away on topics like this one. The ideal I strive for is the middle ground outlined by Hash, Kemp and Marokai, but in practice I always somehow end up as the standard-bearer for a viewpoint I only partly espouse. I've made some attempts at having a more serene discussion on the topic, as this thread attests, and I am convinced that we can get there if we all relinquish our identitarian banners for a little while.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,380
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2013, 07:10:10 AM »

For the record Antonio, the sentiment expressed in that post quoted in the OP is pretty reminiscent of the bill being passed in Uganda along with the anti-gay bill that would effectively ban miniskirts, or the people who threw a fit over Beyonce's Super Bowl performance or Miley Cyrus' MTV VMAs performance, aka extreme socons.

OK, now that's utterly ridiculous.
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