Margaret Thatcher dies at 87

[Antonio the Sixth]

Wow.

Well, RIP, I guess.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Reagan was an ass, but doesn't even come close to Thatcher's level of vileness.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Anyways, I would be the first person to acknowledge that my initial reaction - like those (I'm sure) of literally millions of others - was in poor taste and, yes, was perhaps a little on the ugly side. Though I don't (and won't) regret it.

Of course not.

✓ Lack of remorse
✓ Emotionally shallow
✓ Callous
✓ Impulsive

I think Al may have some personal reasons to react the way he did (which, BTW, I have absolutely no idea, since it was modified before I arrived), so you shouldn't be too quick to judge.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Apart from the moral aspect of it, the idea that Socialists should rejoice at Thatcher's death is also pretty stupid. Her legacy is alive and well: when that will be dead, we'll have a real reason to rejoice.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The double standard by the Right re: Chavez and Thatcher is utterly ridiculous.

On Chavez: "Good riddance to the evil Commie dictator!"
On Thatcher: "Please have class and respect the dead!"

F-ck that.

Agreed 100%

(except I think you have the details backwards....there were only a couple of poeple bashing on Chavez and the thread was only 7 pages long.  You had to get to the third page to find the second person hating on him.  I'm pretty sure there were more people bitching about "respect for the dead" than there were people bashing the dead....not quite the same in this thread is it?  But yes, double standards suck...they're just harder to see when you and your friends are doing it.)

There are more people on the left than on the right here, simple.

Don't try and tell them that, they will fall all over themselves denying it.  At best you'll get a "slight" left lean.  The people that think (for whatever reason) that this is an international message board will tell you it leans right.

This is an international message board, since it has a sizable share of non-American posters.

[Antonio the Sixth]

But thank you for not denying the place leans left.

By American standards, yes. But as I said it makes no sense to apply American standards since we have such a sizable international community.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I should want to register the fact than she only hastened the collapse of UK industry and mining. She did it in a pretty brutal and heartless way, too.

But, it would have collasped at a point.

The Industrial Era is finished. We are currently entering the Tech Era.

The divide is between those who think the millions of lives destroyed in the process are collateral damage of the free market's wonderful work, and those who think they should be taken care of and and helped find a spot in the new economic order. And that's a big difference.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I should want to register the fact than she only hastened the collapse of UK industry and mining. She did it in a pretty brutal and heartless way, too.

But, it would have collasped at a point.

The Industrial Era is finished. We are currently entering the Tech Era.

The divide is between those who think the millions of lives destroyed in the process are collateral damage of the free market's wonderful work, and those who think they should be taken care of and and helped find a spot in the new economic order. And that's a big difference.

I'm quite aware of that and you know than I'm.
As for free market, it works well when it's free, but it's rarely is (more often we have oligarchy/duoplies/monopolies).

Wait, I wasn't attacking you or anything. I just felt that was something that needed to be added to your comment.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Feeling a little bit good about the death of someone you consider horrible who is in power is understandable (though regrettable), since there is a bit of hope for a change.   Feeling that way about someone who has been out of power for two decades is just... a little pointless. As is feeling aggrieved by the person's death.
Especially if their retirement was... nothing special. She wasn't important as some kind of grey eminence, major influence etc - though the damage she wrought remains largely in place - , nor was she anywhere near as irrelevant and disgraced as she would have deserved.

This is exactly the way I see it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I should want to register the fact than she only hastened the collapse of UK industry and mining. She did it in a pretty brutal and heartless way, too.

But, it would have collasped at a point.

The Industrial Era is finished. We are currently entering the Tech Era.

The divide is between those who think the millions of lives destroyed in the process are collateral damage of the free market's wonderful work, and those who think they should be taken care of and and helped find a spot in the new economic order. And that's a big difference.

That really wasn't the divide back in those days. That it can even be claimed to be true now is largely because political leaders like Thatcher won the debate on whether economic change should be welcomed.

But Labour would have had to deal with that reality no matter what. They would eventually have no choice but to work at alleviating the social consequences of these economic trends, rather than gleefully aggravating them like Thatcher did.