You're tasked with choosing another four Presidents for Mount Rushmore.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Based on actual accomplishments? FDR, Truman, Ike, and LBJ.

Based on today's lame conventional wisdom, it would probably go something like FDR, Ike, JFK and Reagan.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Based on actual accomplishments? FDR, Truman, Ike, and LBJ.

Based on today's lame conventional wisdom, it would probably go something like FDR, Ike, JFK and Reagan.

I guess I am today's lame conventional wisdom?

I didn't vote for Presidents only because I agree with them, but Reagan had a huge historical impact.

I don't think a President who made America an objectively worse place should have his face on that mount. Call me a hack if you want.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Why are people voting for Kennedy? Every damn thing Kennedy is credited for was done by Johnson...Kennedy literally was a do-nothing President.

Washington was first President, established the office, created many precedents and is the father of our country in many ways.

Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence and greatly expanded the Union

Lincoln saved the Union from separation and brought the Civil War to a victorious finish.

TR brought and reformed America into the modern age, and set America on the world stage as a respected world power, and reshaped the Presidency.

The only contenders I can see for the next spot would be FDR (saving America during the Great Depression, presiding triumphantly over World War II), Lyndon Johnson (for the Great Society), and Reagan (largely for ceremonial reasons due to his "winning" the Cold War, even though he really didn't)

Truman deserves it for the Marshall plan. You guys literally saved Europe, and you don't even realize it.