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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #300 on: April 20, 2013, 03:08:36 PM »
« edited: April 20, 2013, 03:20:55 PM by Californian Tony »
Quote from: Sibboleth on April 20, 2013, 02:49:39 PM
Quote from: Californian Tony on April 20, 2013, 02:33:58 PM
Quote from: Sibboleth on April 20, 2013, 02:22:45 PM
Quote from: Californian Tony on April 20, 2013, 01:50:09 PM
I don't give a damn, this party is rotten at its core and contaminated by pure evil. Until something else replaces it, nothing good will ever come to Italy.

?!

You disagree?

No, Yes, Eh... Italy's problems run rather deeper.

Necessary condition =/= sufficient condition.

Also, I didn't mean to say all PD politicians are evil. But there are irredeemably evil people in the party, and they have been getting their way so far.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #301 on: April 20, 2013, 03:44:56 PM »
Quote from: Nathan on April 20, 2013, 03:36:35 PM
Would Bersani be an example of one of the irredeemably evil people, in your opinion, or do you think he's merely selfish and stupid?

Nah, Bersani is mostly a tool who never really had a chance to take an initiative of its own. He probably tried to do what he though was best for his party and his country, but has always been entangled into alliances and compromises with the truly evil people. Most PD members are like Bersani, actually. It's just that other people pulling the strings behind the scenes.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #302 on: April 20, 2013, 05:13:48 PM »
Quote from: Sibboleth on April 20, 2013, 04:39:39 PM
Mightn't it just as well split into its constituent parts now? As a project it was always fundamentally flawed...

Definitely.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #303 on: April 20, 2013, 05:41:00 PM »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on April 20, 2013, 05:16:25 PM
If not at least loosely allied they won't win an election under this system. Or to put it another way, Grillo would've had a temporary Camera majority.

What needs to happen is that all those who aren't completely damaged goods need to leave the PD and let it collapse. Once the PD is gone, that new thing can replace it as the main center-left party.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #304 on: April 22, 2013, 05:08:57 PM »
Good for her, and for Friulans, I guess. PD is still sick anyway.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #305 on: April 25, 2013, 03:03:11 PM »
Quote from: Keystone Phil on April 25, 2013, 12:45:42 PM
"Silvio Berlusconi is the real winner." - Vendola

The only politician with a brain in this f**king country.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #306 on: April 27, 2013, 03:30:53 PM »
Quote from: Andrea on April 27, 2013, 10:46:24 AM
Deputy PM and Home Office: Angelino Alfano (PDL)
Economy: Fabrizio Saccomanni (director of Bank of Italy)
Development: Flavio Zanonato (PD)
Transports: Maurizio Lupi (PDL)
Health: Beatrice Lorenzin (PDL)
Justice: Anna Maria Cancellieri (Home Office Sec under Monti)
Work: Enrico Giovannini (National Statistics Institute President)
Education: Maria Chiara Carrozza (PD, Rector of a University)
Culture, Tourism: Massimo Bray (PD)
Agriculture: Nunzia di Girolamo (PDL)
Environment: Andrea Orlando (PD)
Foreign: Emma Bonino
Defence: Mario Mauro (Monti's List, former PDL)
EU Affairs: Enzo Monavero Milanesi (same position held under Monti)
Regional Affairs: Graziano Del Rio (PD)
Territorial Cohesion: Carlo Trigilia
Relationship with Parliamenet : Dario Franceschini (PD)
Reforms: Gaetano Quagliariello (PDL)
Integration: Cécile Kyenge Kashetu (PD)
Equal Rights, Youth, Sport: Josefa Idem (PD, former Olympic Gold)
Public Administraton: Giampiero D’Alia (UDC)

Under Secretary to the Presidency: Patroni Griffi (Public Administration Secretary under Monti)
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #307 on: April 27, 2013, 04:02:43 PM »

Your question is irrelevant, because even if the PD managed to sneak in one or two half-decent people, nothing good will ever come from such government.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #308 on: April 28, 2013, 03:09:33 PM »
Quote from: I'll take a fall, but how low I'll go, it just depends on April 28, 2013, 04:55:44 AM
Hereby endorsing the Movimento Cinque Stelle for the next election.

^^^^^^^^ Same here.

Though I'm still open to supporting SEL if they don't go with PD.
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« Reply #309 on: May 02, 2013, 03:32:46 PM »

The thing to follow will be the polling curves. When PdL grows a 10 point lead, you can be sure Berslusconi's gonna pull the plug.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #310 on: May 03, 2013, 03:14:28 PM »
Quote from: Keystone Phil on May 03, 2013, 09:00:33 AM
Quote from: batmacumba on May 01, 2013, 03:48:05 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil on April 28, 2013, 05:56:32 PM
What are the chances SEL joins Civil Revolution? Seems like the a logical step. Vendola already said he won't support Letta. That could have been the final straw even if PD runs Renzi next time (and I believe Vendola has issues with Renzi anyway).

Is this some kind of oriundi collective subconscient? Everytime I have something to say about Italy, either you've already said or endorse it.

Cheesy

Why the hell did Civil Revolution disband? Didn't they stand the chance to seriously benefit from all of this?

They failed miserably in the last elections for a reason...
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #311 on: May 03, 2013, 05:08:49 PM »
Quote from: Swedish Cheese on May 03, 2013, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Californian Tony on May 02, 2013, 03:32:46 PM

The thing to follow will be the polling curves. When PdL grows a 10 point lead, you can be sure Berslusconi's gonna pull the plug.

Well that won't happen as long as PdL is in a grand coalition. The only one who might get a 10-point lead in a near future will be Grillo.

PdL was in a grand coalition during the Monti government, and yet they went from a 15-point deficit to a tie.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #312 on: May 06, 2013, 01:35:51 PM »
Like Thatcher, Andreotti's legacy is alive and well, depressingly.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #313 on: May 08, 2013, 01:17:52 PM »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on May 08, 2013, 12:55:34 PM
Berlusconi gets sentenced to 4 years for his media charges, but can still appeal to the Court of Cassation.

He'll probably force PD to pass a law to save his ass. These f**king idiots are f**kingly idiotic enough to go along.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #314 on: May 08, 2013, 04:54:38 PM »
Quote from: Leftbehind on May 08, 2013, 01:34:42 PM
Quote from: Californian Tony on May 08, 2013, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: RogueBeaver on May 08, 2013, 12:55:34 PM
Berlusconi gets sentenced to 4 years for his media charges, but can still appeal to the Court of Cassation.

He'll probably force PD to pass a law to save his ass. These f**king idiots are f**kingly idiotic enough to go along.

On the slim chance PD have a shred of moral integrity, and don't, we'd then be looking at a collapse of this monstrosity of a coalition before it even began. It'd be absolutely toxic for their supporters, no? Surely self-preservation could force a moral stand?

I'd like to think so as well, but remember the PD base overwhelmingly supported Rodotŕ too..
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #315 on: May 08, 2013, 10:35:28 PM »
Quote from: Leftbehind on May 08, 2013, 08:18:11 PM
Recommended course of action if they do support Berlusconi:


Really, this applies to the entire Italian political class.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #316 on: May 09, 2013, 03:01:26 PM »
Quote from: Peter the Lefty on May 09, 2013, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: Californian Tony on May 08, 2013, 10:35:28 PM
Quote from: Leftbehind on May 08, 2013, 08:18:11 PM
Recommended course of action if they do support Berlusconi:


Really, this applies to the entire Italian political class.
Minus Vendola and maybe a few young PDers.  But yes, it's true.  How about the French one too, while we're at it?

No comparison.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #317 on: May 10, 2013, 05:44:27 PM »
Quote from: Keystone Phil on May 10, 2013, 05:38:22 PM
Looks like his legal problems still aren't hurting him.

Well, duh. At this point, news about Berlusconi being sentenced to prison is like news about Sarah Palin saying something stupid. Those who could have abandoned him because of this already abandoned him a long time ago.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #318 on: May 18, 2013, 09:47:06 PM »

Wow, well done. He's far too good for this bunch of morons.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #319 on: May 22, 2013, 05:31:14 PM »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on May 22, 2013, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil on May 22, 2013, 12:24:57 PM
The government is aiming for changes to the electoral law to be passed by July 31st.

Which are?

They'll make Berlusconi President for life.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #320 on: May 27, 2013, 11:02:58 PM »
Quote from: PASOK Leader Hashemite on May 27, 2013, 02:56:46 PM
Is it me, or do these results look pretty decent for the left?

Looks so, yeah. It's undeserved, but I'll take what I have at this point.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #321 on: June 02, 2013, 02:54:39 AM »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on June 01, 2013, 05:05:12 PM
Renzi is willing to run for the PD secretariat. We knew that already, but still Cool.

Great news indeed! Listened to him recently, and really he's miles away from nearly every other politician (in rhetoric and attitude at least).
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #322 on: June 02, 2013, 11:38:11 AM »

Good for him, though it obviously won't pass. Good way for PdL to court Grillist votes, too.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #323 on: June 02, 2013, 02:46:00 PM »

Smiley
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #324 on: June 10, 2013, 06:00:22 PM »
16/16! That's good to see. Smiley

Though of course it changes nothing to the fact Italy is screwed.
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