Western Europe political parties survivor - Norw. Labour Party is the survivor !

[Antonio the Sixth]

EELV is objectively less deserving to stay than PSOE. Both need to go though, so whatever is the results I will be satisfied.

Oh Edu, c'mon, I've never been a rabid defender of the PSOE, but a few ones had to go before it and I try to respect my logic.

[Antonio the Sixth]

PSOE won't resist eternally... Actually I'm warming up to the idea of ousting it, mainly because I'm fed up of this stupid pro/anti-PSOE polarization. Once it is out, we could start again seeing more original combinations.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Europe Écologie – Les Verts (France) is out

Leader Cécile Duflot


Last general election result (2007) 3.3%, 4/577 seats (results for The Greens)

EELV : 27
PSOE : 26
IdV : 23
GL : 16
CDU/CSU : 14
SAP : 12
M : 10
D66 : 10
Grüne : 6
DNA : 5




- Social Democratic Party of Austria Immune for rounds 20-24
- Progressive Party of Working People (Cyprus)
- Social Democrats (Denmark)
- Danish Social Liberal Party
- Venstre (Denmark)
- Conservative People's Party (Denmark)
- Green League (Finland)
- Centre Party (Finland)
- National Coalition Party (Finland)
- Left Front (France)
- Socialist Party (France)
- Europe Écologie – Les Verts (France)
- Alliance '90/The Greens (Germany)
- Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)
- Communist Party of Greece
- Italy of Values
- GreenLeft (Netherlands)
- Democrats 66 (Netherlands)
- People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (Netherlands)
- Norwegian Labour Party
- Centre Party (Norway)
- Liberal Party (Norway)
- Conservative Party (Norway)
- Christian Democratic Party (Norway)
- Spanish Socialist Workers' Party
- Swedish Social Democratic Party
- Liberal People's Party (Sweden)
- Centre Party (Sweden)
- Moderate Party (Sweden)
- Labour Party (UK)

Round 21 begins. You have 2 votes to eliminate, to cast 1-1, and 1 vote to keep.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Ben :

Eliminate Grüne and IdV

Keep D66

[Antonio the Sixth]

In some way, it is a bit of a pity to eliminate EELV just in the moment when its member seem to prove they aren't totally brainless. But at least this is done.

The final top 10 is nice enough, though of course there are some mistakes. It's a bit lopsided (7 left-wing parties and only 3 right-wing) but probably the next rounds will bring some balance. Now it's time to join Edu and Fab in our quest to kill PSOE.


Eliminate PSOE and CDU/CSU

Keep IdV


Fab and Jarl, I must say I'm pretty disappointed by your strategic skills. If you really wanted PSOE out, you needed to protect Idv... If you had, at this point the race would be close and with Edu left to vote... Instead of blaming the voting system, try to adapt to it !

[Antonio the Sixth]

C'mon ! You say this to me and at the same time, you vote for CDU ?!?

I can't try to kill PSOE at all costs: there is one cost I can't afford, losing CDU !!!

When I voted CDU stood at 0 (as much keep votes as eliminate) and IdV at 7. You clearly overestimated the risk.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, of course I understand. But PSOE must go very soon or a lot of awesome parties will be killed just for the sake of saving it.

Oh BTW, my rules follow a very precise logic (except those ending by 3 and 8) and by looking at previous rounds you could be able to predict what will be the rule used next time. I hope this rule will be more prone to PSOE's elimination, but the rules matters far less than the way people vote.

[Antonio the Sixth]

If it weren't for Fab, it'd be a tie... Add Jarl and PSOE would be out. Now I swear we'll kill it next round !

[Antonio the Sixth]

Italy of Values is out

AKA "Italia dei Valori", IdV



Leader Antonio Di Pietro


Last general election result (2008) 4,4%, 29/630 seats

IdV : 4
PSOE : 3
CDU/CSU : 2
GL : 2
M : 2
Grüne : 0
D66 : -2




- Social Democratic Party of Austria Immune for rounds 20-24
- Progressive Party of Working People (Cyprus)
- Social Democrats (Denmark)
- Danish Social Liberal Party
- Venstre (Denmark)
- Conservative People's Party (Denmark)
- Green League (Finland)
- Centre Party (Finland)
- National Coalition Party (Finland)
- Left Front (France)
- Socialist Party (France)
- Europe Écologie – Les Verts (France)
- Alliance '90/The Greens (Germany)
- Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)
- Communist Party of Greece
- Italy of Values
- GreenLeft (Netherlands)
- Democrats 66 (Netherlands)
- People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (Netherlands)
- Norwegian Labour Party
- Centre Party (Norway)
- Liberal Party (Norway)
- Conservative Party (Norway)
- Christian Democratic Party (Norway)
- Spanish Socialist Workers' Party
- Swedish Social Democratic Party
- Liberal People's Party (Sweden)
- Centre Party (Sweden)
- Moderate Party (Sweden)
- Labour Party (UK)

Round 22 begins. You have 7 votes to eliminate, to cast 4-2-1.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Please all those who want to kill PSOE, listen !

Edu, Fab, Jarl, Nhoj... Here is what we will do. Each of us will cast their 4 points for PSOE (traitors will be punished). We must cast our 2 following votes for a different party each. None of us shall cast their vote for the same pasrty as another. Edu can cast them for CDU/CSU, Fab for GL, Jarl for SAP, Nhoj for another one and I'll pick another one once you have cast your votes. If you can, try to choose a party the PSOistas haven't voted for.

I trust you, guys, don't disappoint me. United we shall win !

[Antonio the Sixth]

Ben's vote :

4 Grüne
2 PSOE
Exhausted

[Antonio the Sixth]

OK, that's looking great. If Edu doesn't cast any vote for SAP, German Greens or the Sweden Moderates (and avoids doing so with a few others as well), there should be nothing able to stop PSOE's killing. *laughs diabolically*

[Antonio the Sixth]

...next round i'm going to vote on my own again; thank you!!

You can cast a true vote right now if you want, as I couldn't cast 1 vote based on the preferences you gave me.

[Antonio the Sixth]

What's up Fab ? Any problem ? Oh yeah, the SAP leads PSOE for elimination 16-15, but you just forgot that I haven't voted yet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now I do ! 

4 PSOE
2 CDU/CSU
1 GL


And it's done ! Done ! Done ! Even if Edu doesn't show up it's done ! PSOE is dead !

And sanity can be back in this game....

Now chill up guys and realize your madness. You were so obsessed with saving your little PSOE that you were about to kill the best party in the world. You were about to commit a crime against awesomeness. Now that you are free from the PSOE's mind control, you'll cast votes for parties that deserve to go, and not just in order to save the PSOE.

THE SURVIVOR IS FREE !!!

[Antonio the Sixth]

Spanish Socialist Workers' Party is out

AKA "Partido Socialista Obrero Español", PSOE



Leader José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero (Prime Minister of Spain)


Last general election result (2008) 43.9%, 169/350 seats

PSOE : 19
SAP : 16
M : 8
Grüne : 7
CDU/CSU : 7
D66 : 4
DNA : 3
GL : 3
SPÖ : 2 INVALID (LOL Hash, what did you smoke ? )




- Social Democratic Party of Austria Immune for rounds 20-24
- Progressive Party of Working People (Cyprus)
- Social Democrats (Denmark)
- Danish Social Liberal Party
- Venstre (Denmark)
- Conservative People's Party (Denmark)
- Green League (Finland)
- Centre Party (Finland)
- National Coalition Party (Finland)
- Left Front (France)
- Socialist Party (France)
- Europe Écologie – Les Verts (France)
- Alliance '90/The Greens (Germany)
- Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)
- Communist Party of Greece
- Italy of Values
- GreenLeft (Netherlands)
- Democrats 66 (Netherlands)
- People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (Netherlands)
- Norwegian Labour Party
- Centre Party (Norway)
- Liberal Party (Norway)
- Conservative Party (Norway)
- Christian Democratic Party (Norway)
- Spanish Socialist Workers' Party
- Swedish Social Democratic Party
- Liberal People's Party (Sweden)
- Centre Party (Sweden)
- Moderate Party (Sweden)
- Labour Party (UK)

Round 23 begins. You have 5 votes, that you can cast totally freely (you can cast "eliminate" and/or "keep" votes, and for how many parties you want).

[Antonio the Sixth]

I give you full liberty in your votes and you cast monolithic 5pt eliminates ? What a bore you are...

2 eliminate CDU
3 keep SAP

what the best party of the world for you, antonio? is it SAP? =S

Yep. Have a look at this if you don't believe me.

and you can't say you weren't afraid hahha... we almost saved PSOE!!

I were tense... But after Homelycooking's vote I knew the maths made it impossible for the PSOE's survival if we managed our votes intelligently. Remember there was still Edu left to vote !

[Antonio the Sixth]

Just letting you know that Julio has contacted me that he'll be on holidays these next days, so I'll cast his votes like I've done for Fab and Ben.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany) is out

AKA "Christlich Demokratische Union/Christlich-Soziale Union", CDU/CSU




Leader Angela Merkel (Chancellor of Germany)


Last general election result (2009) 33.8%, 239/622 seats

CDU/CSU : 22
GL : 15
M : 5
D66 : 5
SAP : 2




- Social Democratic Party of Austria Immune for rounds 20-24
- Progressive Party of Working People (Cyprus)
- Social Democrats (Denmark)
- Danish Social Liberal Party
- Venstre (Denmark)
- Conservative People's Party (Denmark)
- Green League (Finland)
- Centre Party (Finland)
- National Coalition Party (Finland)
- Left Front (France)
- Socialist Party (France)
- Europe Écologie – Les Verts (France)
- Alliance '90/The Greens (Germany)
- Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)
- Communist Party of Greece
- Italy of Values
- GreenLeft (Netherlands)
- Democrats 66 (Netherlands)
- People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (Netherlands)
- Norwegian Labour Party
- Centre Party (Norway)
- Liberal Party (Norway)
- Conservative Party (Norway)
- Christian Democratic Party (Norway)
- Spanish Socialist Workers' Party
- Swedish Social Democratic Party
- Liberal People's Party (Sweden)
- Centre Party (Sweden)
- Moderate Party (Sweden)
- Labour Party (UK)

Round 24 begins. You have 1 vote to eliminate.

[Antonio the Sixth]

OK, I'll keep the lesson in mind : never let the voters free, they'll cast boring votes.

Anyways, CDU is done too.

Now let's go with GroenLinks.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Julio told me to cast his votes "tactically", so I'll let 3 or 4 persons vote before.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I honestly don't know what to do. On the one hand, he could have waited if he was the one casting the votes, but on the other hand there needs to be someone who votes at first... If you think it's unfair, no problem, I'll cast the vote immediately.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Ok, I think at this point Julio would have voted for the Swedish Moderates (to my great disappointment... ).

[Antonio the Sixth]

No guys, just don't do that !

There are 2 right-wing parties left, do you want a totally lopsided top 5 ? Come on, even if you don't like the Moderates for political reasons, give them a shot for pluralism's sake !!!!

[Antonio the Sixth]

OK, it's all up to our German greens, so. Hans and Jon, before you vote I'd like to ask you to think a lot about it. You might prefer (by far) GreenLeft to the Moderate Party for political reasons : I do too. But how fun will the top 5 be, if there won't be even one mainstream right party ? And for the mainstream right, the Moderates are a great party, very sane and pretty successful in government. They also have a pretty strong history, if that matters.


Please people, sacrify GreenLeft in the name of fun and of political balance ! Please save the Moderates !!! I beg you !

[Antonio the Sixth]

Thank you Jon ! Sorry for doubting of you, but I always think about the worst possible scenarios. I'm so happy to see Fab proven wrong.


I can't help but think about a scene like that.

"If you think the Moderates deserve to go, if... if you think they are objectively worse, less interesting than GreenLeft, then vote to eliminate them. But if you're doing this because GreenLeft better represents your political positions, then Fab is right. This survivor is biased. You have a choice. Maybe the last real one you'll have here."

Wondering if someone knows where this (rearranged) quote comes from.