I don't care about Israel

[Antonio the Sixth]

LOL

[Antonio the Sixth]

I care about establishing a stable and fair peace everywhere in the world. That's why I care about Israel, just as I care about Darfur, about Kurdistan, about Kashmir, about Rwanda. Those who don't care are either selfish or coward.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I care about establishing a stable and fair peace everywhere in the world. That's why I care about Israel, just as I care about Darfur, about Kurdistan, about Kashmir, about Rwanda. Those who don't care are either selfish or coward.

I also care about establishing a stable and fair peace everywhere in the world, and I strongly resent your disgusting implication that I'm either selfish or a coward.

The difference with Israel/Palestine is that you have two groups of people who are fighting for a tiny strip of desert.  They've made it a problem for themselves by continuing to adhere to their ludicrous religions, which have instilled equal and conflicting notions that they each have some kind of divine right to possess the aforementioned tiny strip of desert.

Just like Kashmir and Northern Ireland, for two more examples, I might be able to show some interest in the effort to resolve the differences if they stop acting so ridiculously and abandon those silly religious traditions first.  That alone wouldn't solve the problem, of course, but it'd be a damn good start.

Religious integrism or other forms of extremiusm are a direct consequence of war and poverty. The Hamas vote in the Gaza strip could have been avoided if a stable and sovereign Palestininan State had been established, just like the fascist vote in Israel could have been avoided if terrorists had stopped attacking them. You can't just say "they must abandon their silly religious conviction" : we ought to create condition that will led them to abandon them.

And don't take me wrong, I didn't refer to anyone in particular and obviously I don't think you're selfish or coward. It was more of a general ranting against blind isolationism.

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And it's exactly because they will never abandon their religious traditions - which have always been one of the major root causes of their problems - that I don't see any point in even caring about it.  Why should I?  Their conflict is founded on pointless "Us vs. Them" mentalities, and I just can't sympathize with that.

US must precisely force them to accept each other and to come to an agreement. It'd be quite simple to do, at least in theory : just cut every aid to Israel until they accept to stop colonization and start constructive negociations (it probably won't take too much time). At the same time, try to isolate the Hamas by favoring abbas and the moderates. When a Palestinian state will be established and that things will go better, Hamas support in the Gaza strip will diminish and a coordinated action of the palestinian authority and Israel could retake Gaza. As a result of an active fighting against terrorists, security in Israel will improve and fringe far-right movement will lose ground. vicious circles can always be turned into virtuous circles, but certainly not by doing nothing.

[Antonio the Sixth]

NGOs aren't able to solve any problem. At best they manage to prevent them from having too disastrous consequences, but the jus lack the power to impose peace anywhere. Being the most powerful country in the Earth gives you some responsibility (not to say US should do everything alone, I also think European countries aren't involving in those problems as much as they should).

[Antonio the Sixth]

France certainly gets involved way too much in the poorer parts of our world.

Don't confuse everything. The problem is not how much it gets involved, but for which reason and in which way.

[Antonio the Sixth]

NGOs aren't able to solve any problem. At best they manage to prevent them from having too disastrous consequences, but the jus lack the power to impose peace anywhere. Being the most powerful country in the Earth gives you some responsibility (not to say US should do everything alone, I also think European countries aren't involving in those problems as much as they should).

The only responsibility the U.S. government has is to the American people.

Sorry, but no, unless they decide to dismantle their entire army,end all their diplomatic relations with other countries and renounce to exerce any kind of influence. Well, maybe it's what you'd wish, but I guess it will remain a dream.

Power always means responsibility.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Sorry, but no, unless they decide to dismantle their entire army,end all their diplomatic relations with other countries and renounce to exerce any kind of influence. Well, maybe it's what you'd wish, but I guess it will remain a dream.

Power always means responsibility.

And wishing for world peace, or at least peace in the Middle East, isn't also a dream?

No, there are things that we could do to favor peace in the world. The idea that things are what they are and that we can't do anything t improve it is just an easy way to do nothing.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Are you kidding or did you really misunderstand ? By "we" I obviously meant the western countries.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Are you kidding or did you really misunderstand ? By "we" I obviously meant the western countries.

I understood you perfectly.  However, I am not the Western world, and neither are you.

You're asking me to take a personal interest in the conflict, and suggesting ways it can be improved.  Then you apparently went off on a tangent about how the 'Western world' can improve things; an entity that you have now clarified is separate from simply 'you and me'.

So again, what connection am I supposed to feel to that tiny strip of desert thousands of miles away, and its miserable god-fearing inhabitants?

Any good citizen should care about the issues that matter to his country. As I explained, the israelo-palestinian conflict should matter to Western Countries. And since me and you are members of westerns countries, it's easy to deduce that you and me should care about the israelo-palestitian conflict.

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That's pretty evident, since a democracy requires citizens who are aware of the issues that matter to their country in order t make the good choice according to what they consider as fair. If you hadn't the right to vote, you wouldn't have the duty to care about Israel.

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So please read my previous posts.

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Do I have to explain also this one ?