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« on: July 12, 2007, 03:38:00 AM »

Strangely, the orthodox churches have not protested. Perhaps because he does recognizes them as churches, but as defective ones because they're not following him.
And I like how he basically says there can be no reconciliation with the other denomination before the Papal authority is recognized by them.
It seems that he is determined to undo everything his predecessor, especially his works on reconciliation, did as quickly as possible: Last year accusing the Moslems of being violent (and then not having the spine to back it up) and now he's trying to alienate the other Christian churches.


Yep, he certainly has been a great Pope so far. He's been undoing all the damage his predecessor did and he is helping to bring the church back to its former glory.
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2007, 07:45:17 AM »
« Edited: July 12, 2007, 07:46:58 AM by States'Raats »

Strangely, the orthodox churches have not protested. Perhaps because he does recognizes them as churches, but as defective ones because they're not following him.
And I like how he basically says there can be no reconciliation with the other denomination before the Papal authority is recognized by them.
It seems that he is determined to undo everything his predecessor, especially his works on reconciliation, did as quickly as possible: Last year accusing the Moslems of being violent (and then not having the spine to back it up) and now he's trying to alienate the other Christian churches.


Yep, he certainly has been a great Pope so far. He's been undoing all the damage his predecessor did and he is helping to bring the church back to its former glory.
I wasn't a great supporter of John Paul II, but how did he damage the church? Unless you mean the above mentioned reconcilation, which in my opinion was one of the good things he did.

Paul II laid down to everyone and he was afraid to tell any other faith they are wrong. I'm sorry, you can't call yourself and true Christian, imho, and say that every other faith is right or acceptable. I, personally, respect most religions and their right to practice but that doesn't mean I have to believe a word they say or find it acceptable. J.P 2 also said that the Jewish people held no responsibility for the death of Jesus when biblically they did approve of the crucifixion of Christ*.


*=Not modern day Jews and not to be used as a reason for persecution, imho.
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2007, 10:45:36 AM »

Don't agree with the guy whatsoever, but there is no need to bash all Catholics.

Especially since maybe 15% of Catholics agree with or even care about half the stuff the church teaches.

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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2007, 04:11:48 PM »

Obviously the RCC believes it is the only true church.  They have believed this for a long time so this should not come as a surprise for it is not news.  Nor should other Christians be offended by such claims.



Not offended as much as I'd like them to ease off the insanity

Oh now come on, how is that belief "insane"?
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2007, 05:32:55 AM »

Yet again Benedict proves he can't even come remotely close to replacing John Paul II

Praise the Lord for small miracles!!
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2007, 07:30:51 AM »

Well this man was once the grand inquisitor.

The Pope is in a position of authority, but to show that little respect to other christians is really ridiculous.

Frankly if the leader of any organisation makes statements that offend people, then it casts a bad light on the whole organisation. The Pope said something stupid, it will be forgotten in time, but it also allows all the old complaints about the Catholic church to come to the fore - it's archaic, it's isolated.


The various Protestant sects continually claim superiority to the Catholic church and deem themselves "thee" church authority. Yet very few people ever say a word about that.
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2007, 01:18:05 PM »

Ok, what the hell, answer my question States... or DWTL, are you saying the catholic way is the only way to salvation?

Ok, firstly, you don't have to keep posting the same quote over and over again. It both grates me and is annoying as hell. I DO go to bed at night, so I'm not at my monitor ever second of the day to provide you with the answer you so desperately need.

When you mean Catholic, do you mean as Universal Catholic or Catholic Church? I, personally, believe most Christian faiths have it down pretty close. I do believe that the Catholic way is ONE way to salvation. I do, however, believe that the Christian way is the ONLY way to salvation.
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2007, 02:43:51 PM »

When you mean Catholic, do you mean as Universal Catholic or Catholic Church? I, personally, believe most Christian faiths have it down pretty close. I do believe that the Catholic way is ONE way to salvation. I do, however, believe that the Christian way is the ONLY way to salvation.

Didn't you at one point call yourself a deist, and not a Christian?

Where is the set rule that a traditional Deist can't be Christian?
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2007, 02:49:52 PM »

When you mean Catholic, do you mean as Universal Catholic or Catholic Church? I, personally, believe most Christian faiths have it down pretty close. I do believe that the Catholic way is ONE way to salvation. I do, however, believe that the Christian way is the ONLY way to salvation.

Didn't you at one point call yourself a deist, and not a Christian?

Where is the set rule that a traditional Deist can't be Christian?

The definition of "deism" is as follows:

"belief in the existence of a God on the evidence of reason and nature only, with rejection of supernatural revelation"

By definition, a deist can't also believe in an organized religion based on supernatural revelation.  You can be a theist and also a Christian (indeed, one couldn't be a Christian without being a theist), but not a deist.

Is that the modern definition of Deism? Eighteenth century deism was quite a bit different as it revolved more around a rejection of earthly churches but acceptance of a Christian God (at least in colonial/early America).
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