Is edwards the best VP?

[Kghadial]

Slavery was a very strong force.  I don't think it would have died out in a generation.  Remember we fought a war with Mexico because of Slavery, we needed more slave friendly territory.  Kansas was a bloody bloody place because slavers wanted Kansas to be slave territory. Even though none of the cash crops that made slavery worthwhile could be grown there.

The 1860s would have been a time for war even if Lincoln hadn't been president. The US would have had to go take over Cuba so an extra three slave states could be made to balance out the western states that were coming.  The US would have had to fight the Spaniards 40 years earlier, when the US was smaller and weaker and Spain had a little more of its old glory left.  The Spanish American War in the 1860s wouldn't have been as easy as it was in the late 1890s .  

I think someone said that America would be at war with every nation from Mexico to Tierra del Fuego unless slavery was ended.

But hey, the South was right; states are allowed to secede. But the Union is allowed to declare war on them and beat them into submission ...

[Kghadial]

But hey, the South was right; states are allowed to secede. But the Union is allowed to declare war on them and beat them into submission ...

Is a Union a voluntary pact or a required pact? Does the Federal Govt have the right to beat up on a sovereign state for using its legal right to leave?

I'm saying that states have a right to secede. Once they secede they are a sovereign nation. The US Congress can vote to declare War on other nations.

So while a state has the legal right to secede, the Union has the right to Declare War on that new nation. That is effectively what happened. The Conferederacy seceded then the North declared War on them and recaptured it.

[Kghadial]

But hey, the South was right; states are allowed to secede. But the Union is allowed to declare war on them and beat them into submission ...

Is a Union a voluntary pact or a required pact? Does the Federal Govt have the right to beat up on a sovereign state for using its legal right to leave?

I'm saying that states have a right to secede. Once they secede they are a sovereign nation. The US Congress can vote to declare War on other nations.

So while a state has the legal right to secede, the Union has the right to Declare War on that new nation. That is effectively what happened. The Conferederacy seceded then the North declared War on them and recaptured it.

I agree with that. But I think the North should not have declared war on the South. It was over cotton, not slaves

I'll agree with that. The south could have went on its way to Biblical Theocracy with its high Holy Leaders Prescott, George, and George Bush II

While the North would go on to conquer Canada and join its fellow brother in Socialism (USSR) to stop Germany.

lol perhaps the North and South keep each other balanced .

[Kghadial]

Yeah a Mondale voter going Republican. I would like to hear this too.

yeah i don't think he was old enough to vote for mondale.  But a Dukakis voter going republican is almost as crazy. Well except for those Dukakis voters in WV, they went for Bush in 2000.