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pbrower2a
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« on: July 24, 2017, 11:28:46 PM »

* His election win
* "Fake news"
* Yachts
* Cocktail Parties
* President Obama

To Boy Scouts

Not to mention he had them boo both Clinton and Obama.

Reminds me of Hitler youth.

But the Boy Scouts have traditionally been non-partisan. Most Boy Scouts are not going to participate in the next Presidential election because they are under 14.

John F. Kennedy, the closest analogue as an electoral winner, worked to bring Republicans to his side on issues instead of transforming them into pariahs. To get his pet agenda, including Civil Rights, he would need the support of Republicans.  Kennedy started working on that. He did not put fault on Eisenhower (who was very dissimilar) as a 'failure'. He did not vilify Nixon.

But to paraphrase the late Lloyd Bentsen, Donald Trump is "no Jack Kennedy".

"Fake news"? It's up to the youth of America to develop the rational thought necessary for discerning objective reality from propaganda. People need to determine what to trust and what not to trust. That will require paying attention to civics... and taking demanding courses in high school. Of course that will help make today's youth anything but the 'low-information voters' that Donald Trump said that he appreciated.

"Yachts"? Material display and indulgence do not make a nation great. Those are drains on the capital for potential investment; besides, a craving for these indicates a soulless person. We need to make America good for people who will never set foot on a yacht. If you want to know what made America great -- it was the sort of person who threw himself onto a live grenade to save his buddies -- who may have lived to become such 'scum' as a preacher in the ghetto, the founder of a small business, a successful farmer who took over from his father, a high-school math teacher, a state trooper, a real-estate broker who made a subdivision possible, a banker who connected people with their dreams... and the usual mass of construction and assembly-line workers.

I am sure that yachts are fun. But I prefer people who do not need them. If you ever saw The Wolf of Wall Street (which I saw only last night on cable TV)... I am glad that for all the hardships that I have known, the least of them was that I have never experienced whores, cocaine, quaaludes, or stripper parties.  

That is one of the most common descriptions of people who got Medals of Honor for "service beyond the call of duty" in World War II. Many of those heroes who died so that their buddies would live were Boy Scouts in the 1930s. To be sure, I can't imagine FDR having told Boy Scouts to be bloodthirsty militarists intent on martyrdom... he did not need to.

Cocktail parties? Cocktail parties? Boy Scouts are typically much underage for participating in cocktail parties.

President Obama? Like him or not, he had his virtues.

But let's see how Donald Trump fits the Scout Law in the United States, one still in existence for 106 years:

A Scout is ....(pregnant pause).... trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.  

How well that describes Donald Trump is for people other than me to contemplate.        

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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2017, 02:47:09 AM »

^ Trump was likely talking about ISIS or Al-Qaeda there. Not saying I agree with his remarks, but it's not comparable to Hitler, who targeted the old, the very young, the sick, the disabled, and the jews, none of which were terrorists.

He says, repeatedly that he wants to kill their families. Unless you somehow think women and children deserve to be killed for who who they were married to, or who their parents were, or that parents should be killed for the actions of their children, he is indeed advocating targeting the old and the very young. He talks about Muslims much like Hitler spoke of Jews. He also mocks the disabled, and is doing his damnedest to talk proper medical care away from the sick.

While, again, I do not think he is marching in lockstep with Hitler, remember too that it took Hitler and the Nazis years to go from racism to ethnic cleansing to mass extermination. We've only had six months of Trump. (And will hopefully have given him the boot soon enough.)

It's telling that the French Resistance made sure to never attack wives and children of German officials. Attacking such innocent people would have caused longer psychic pain to a Nazi official than would sudden death by a shooting or a bomb.

Note well, also, that the world's most effective intelligence service. Shin Beth, has an enforcer arm known as the Mossad -- and it has been in existence since 1948.  The Mossad has arrested and killed Nazi war criminals and people involved in murderous attacks on Israel and Jews -- including the Black September group that murdered the Israeli Olympic team in Munich in 1972. Black September went extinct quickly in disparate hiding places. But the Israelis went after the terrorists and not their wives and children.

I have no problem with the gangland hit upon Osama bin Laden. But the President of the time had no desire to rub out the Bin Laden family. Yes, an arrest, as the Israelis did of Karl Adolf Eichmann, was impossible. But I wouldn't be surprised to find that the Zionist strike force killed Josef Mengele, the sadistic medical researcher and war criminal.

...For good reason, educated people in America used to know certain literature. Romeo and Juliet has its tragic moral: that not even innocent love can stop a feud that has lasted centuries and whose original purpose is no longer known. Donald Trump can induce widespread hatred against America that could last for centuries.   
     
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2017, 10:57:09 AM »


Probably because:

1. Boy Scouts may have some diversity in ethnicity, religion, and social origins of boys -- but all in all they are some of the most promising of adolescents. Scouting gives boys a head-start on developing the confidence, competence, and healthy attitudes necessary for leaders in American life. So it is with potential military officers, business owners and managers, teachers, clergy, public administrators, elected officials, and even creative people. Nothing about the Boy Scouts is inconsistent with becoming a competent adult.

Boy Scouts learn to stretch themselves under leadership that shows them how to step out of the box of mass culture to take some minor risks that can expose them to life-enriching experiences. I may be 61 years old and have never been even an average athlete (except for faring better than some of my contemporaries with bad personal habits), but I am a powerful swimmer, and a twenty-mile hike doesn't scare me. Yes, I was a Boy Scout.

2. Donald Trump tried to exploit Scouting for the support of his political agenda (inappropriate, in view of the Rules and Regulations of Scouting), told some lies (such as his claim to have won a landslide victory), and discussed things irrelevant to scouting (his material indulgence) and something not a part of Scouting (cocktail parties). That Scouting might create a greater possibility of personal success is fit for discussion by adult former Scouts. This is just as valid for a union official as for a business executive.

3. Scouting promotes traditional values, but it is unambiguously pro-environment. President Trump has frequently shown hostility toward environmentalism and even conservation (the old word from when Scouting was new).

Scouting is demanding and time-consuming, but it is well worth the time and personal challenge. It may not be able to make a good boy out of a bad one, but it can make a better boy out of a good one. It is the antithesis of delinquency.

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