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pbrower2a
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« on: January 09, 2016, 10:23:16 AM »

Assume bad things happen in 2016 scaring white people so much that they vote for Trump en mass. The map looks something like this.




No way does Trump win either Michigan, Minnesota, or Wisconsin. Michigan has a larger percentage of blacks than any non-Southern states other than Delaware, Maryland, or Virginia (I now consider Virginia a Northern state). Of course this is no landslide, basically Kerry 2004 with New Mexico and Pennsylvania exchanged. Minnesota swings less than any other state, and the GOP is now toxic in Wisconsin. 

I see Donald Trump as a Republican mirror image (except for being a rake) of Jimmy Carter, an 'outsider' who has very specific ideas of how to change America and unable to achieve them -- and having no Plan B. There might be something to running the federal government like a business -- except that justice, diplomacy, welfare, and the Armed Services cannot be run on profit-and loss bases.

The only effective President who had little-to-no experience in elected office who was at all effective since the Civil War was Dwight Eisenhower.  Ike at the least had the difficult task of lobbying for funds in a Depression economy with a war-loathing populace, so he got some idea of how Congress works. Trump has no legislative experience, and no experience as a government executive even in a cabinet position.

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They might have done well in 'Congressional and other' elections in 2016 -- but he will have to get miracles and dodge any possible economic downturn in 2017 and 2018 to avoid a scenario analogous to 2006 for Congressional Republicans. Get an economic downturn and have no idea of how to stop it except doing more of the same to intensify hardships for potential voters, and the Democrats will have elections like those of 1930.   

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Donald Trump is a crony capitalist. If he should sign off on the destruction of the welfare state while cutting taxes for the super-rich, then he could be Herbert Hoover, Version 2.0

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Even poor, white Christian fundamentalist Protestants in the South have their limits. An image of America which looks like some old Bible-related movies of the 1950s in which amoral elites indulge themselves with no limits while the masses suffer extreme poverty will create plenty of opportunities for Democrats.   

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Republicans would have nobody to primary him in 2020 if the economy goes sour. If the situation is more like 1980 in which Donald Trump has an administrative mess and no clue of how to solve things, then he will be weakened in a primary. Either way he loses. See "1932" and "1980".

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FDR, Version 2.0... someone who has resisted the national trend of austerity for the poor and enhanced indulgence for elites, should America have the start of a Great Depression, Version 2.2. If it is simply an administrative mess, then look to Barack Obama, Version 2.0 as a memory of the last somewhat-effective President.

...imagine an electoral map in which the Democratic winner wins all but roughly 50 electoral votes, because that is what 1932 and 1980 maps were.  Basically take all states that Carter won in 1976 and Obama won in 2008 and add Arizona.


   
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2016, 08:05:55 PM »
« Edited: May 29, 2016, 07:21:28 AM by pbrower2a »


Holy hell are you a hack. Just because you can't imagine a thing happening does not preclude it from happening. As a white person you may not be aware of this, but white people are extremely jumpy, easily scared by the smallest of things. Think of all the white people who roll their windows up when they have to get off the interstate in a less-white part of town. Those people, collectively, are Trump's ceiling. 70ish% of the white vote breaking to Trump produces a map like mine.

1. Donald Trump has made some contradictory promises that ensure that many who vote for him will be terribly disappointed with him when he fails to deliver. That is good for losing about 10% of the vote share from 2016 to 2020. That is the difference between winning 55-45 and losing 55-45, roughly the difference between Winning like Bush in 1988 and losing like Dukakis in 1988, except that everyone would know that Trump was going to lose.

2. Donald Trump has no experience in public office and no history of military leadership. If something goes wrong he will have no clue on how to deal with an economic meltdown, a military disaster, or a diplomatic debacle. He holds in contempt the one ex-President that he could reliably turn to for advice in the event of some disaster who might solve some problems if asked. (Due to extreme age I do not trust either Jimmy Carter or George H W Bush to be around for long, and Bill Clinton has a bum ticker. If I have some respect for Carter, the elder Bush, and Clinton in the role of President emeritus, I have none for Dubya, which is a commonplace assessment).   Obama is the only likely ex-President that I would trust to be around and be competent much beyond early 2021. Trump will more likely turn to ideological purists who will neglect nearly a majority of Americans.

3. He will have a stormy relationship with Congress, especially if things go sour by November 2018.

4. Race? Do you really think that black middle-class people aren't scared of really-bad black neighborhoods, too? Do you really think that black crooks don't prey on black people? Black people are generally better at identifying black thugs than white people are. I know parts of Detroit that I would take people to. The rest? No.

But -- middle-class blacks do not trust the current GOP.

5. In any event I don't see Donald Trump winning by a landslide. But if he gets elected, just barely, then he will either be Hoover redux on the economy or Carter redux on foreign affairs. Roosevelt 1932 and Reagan 1980 got similar results.

How unpopular could Trump be? Americans would be ready for a Third Term -- of Barack Obama -- were it not for the pesky 22nd Amendment. Figuring what a disaster Donald Trump could be as President and the consequences of such on State and federal elections, Americans could be so much in desire for Obama that they would repeal the 22nd Amendment quickly after the 2018 elections.

... if I can't imagine a July blizzard in Phoenix, do I lack imagination? Or am I a realist?
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2016, 09:10:10 AM »
« Edited: June 12, 2016, 10:38:43 AM by pbrower2a »

Donald Trump wins on promising peace and prosperity and unlike Hoover brings about neither (Hoover was no militarist!). That's even worse. The one good thing that Donald Trump has finally done is to bring America together, if only in contempt for him.

Republicans have had a couple of losses in 2018 in the Senate and BIG losses in the House -- actually losing the House.

Amy Klobuchar, 46th President of the United States, elected like FDR in 1932 or Reagan in 1980 as a rejection of a failed incumbent President.
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