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pbrower2a
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« on: March 21, 2014, 10:19:53 PM »

The will of the people activists in black robes prevails again. The people via their reps banned it.

Same-sex marriage has a majority approval in Michigan.

Bad laws ask to be challenged.

...If you are not a homosexual, then how does same-sex marriage hurt you?
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2014, 09:26:13 AM »

Judges are not there to express the will of the people, legislatures are.

Then why have legislatures done such a terrible job of it?

it's all total nonsense.  my hunch is that baby Boomer liberals have this psychological need to see society progress to these previously unknown heights of tolerance, and by allowing a few thousand gay couples in each state marry they actually think they're making a Rosa Parks-esque imprint on society.

Standing for same-sex-marriage (SSM) is not the same as a black woman refusing to give up her seat to a white male on a Montgomery bus in the 1950s. American gays in states that do not yet allow same-sex marriage are far better off than Southern blacks in the 1950s.  So what?

Nobody chooses to be gay or lesbian. The laws against gay rights are still silly. Maybe they are not as silly as Jim Crow laws, but they are silly nonetheless. Silly laws can have tragic consequences.   

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Rosa Parks would have never been able to buy a house that grand, at least in Alabama, because housing that good would have been barred to her.

SSM is revolutionizing nothing for me. I'm not a homosexual, and nothing is going to make me gay. I want gays and lesbians to get the respect as persons that they deserve so that it becomes increasingly unthinkable that anyone could abuse them.

I've been gay-bashed, at least to the extent of being threatened with a violent attack due to the perception of some fool that I am gay. I did the rational thing and ran. Of course, what's the point of being beaten? What am I to do -- try to convince some angry bigot that I am straight?

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European Jews were not so privileged between Nazi occupation and Allied liberation. Many of the surviving Jews would like to have had more time with close relatives and friends who perished in shooting pits, gas vans, and gas chambers.     

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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2014, 04:08:21 PM »

So now that I can get married, the next step is finding someone to marry...and that is proving to be quite a difficult task.

Haha, poor fellow!

As for Tweed, he has a point in that people have a strange obsession over this issue as if it were the most important issue facing the nation today. It can become a bit tiring.

As a black person, I must say, I consider the endless comparison with the civil rights movement to be a bit grating at times. When gay people move into a neighborhood, property values went up. When black people moved into a neighborhood, property values went down.

That was a myth. Black people paid higher rents than white people for the same amount of floor space because of segregation. Houses that had once housed one white family were subdivided into apartments. Landlords literally rushed the depreciation of housing to get maximum income.

Shoehorning more people into a house made the house deteriorate rapidly -- which explains how some once-impressive mansions became slums. That has nothing to do with race.

...Housing prices did not plummet unless white people panicked. There were hucksters who did block-busting who might do the white home-owner an alleged great favor by buying a house worth $40K recently for $15K before the value really went down. The hustle was that the house would be quickly sold to a slumlord for $30K, only accelerating the decline of the neighborhood. 

A basic rule for anyone: nobody is in business of any kind to lose money. Anyone who pretends to do charity in real estate is likely a swindler. 

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Gays are still beaten for being gay. Race-based beatings are much rarer now. So far as I am concerned I see little difference between Michael Shepard (a gay young man beaten to death for being gay in Wyoming) and Michael Donald (a young black man beaten to death by a Klan group in Alabama).  In Nazi camps, Nazi guards have been known to set dogs upon prisoners for being gay.   

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I don't have to be gay to be beaten and badly injured for being gay. I have run from the threat.  You are unlikely to be beaten by white racists for being black. But you could be beaten and badly injured by some fool who thinks that you are gay. Gay-bashers, like most criminals, are simply stupid and angry.

The problem isn't that the bigot thinks that I am gay; the problem is that anyone believes that homosexuality is a pretext for a ferocious beating. Homophobia and racism are  opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin of violent bigotry.
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