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Question: Does Obama lose reelction?
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Landslide Lyndon
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« on: March 28, 2012, 03:32:54 AM »

I would say yes, because what else does he have for "domestic achievements?"

Other than dealing successfully with the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, saving the auto industry, Wall Street reform, student loan reform and equal pay for women, nothing.
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2012, 10:12:59 AM »

The economy has not improved enough, and may have improved as much or more under Mcain.


And I could have banged Scarlett Johansson if only I had the chance to meet her.
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Landslide Lyndon
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2012, 10:46:39 AM »

The economy has not improved enough, and may have improved as much or more under Mcain.


And I could have banged Scarlett Johansson if only I had the chance to meet her.

And instead, like Obama, you spend your weekend alone.  The what could have happened, in theory, really has no bearing on it.

ΟΚ, can you repeat that in English?
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Landslide Lyndon
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2012, 03:26:34 PM »

The economy has not improved enough, and may have improved as much or more under Mcain.


And I could have banged Scarlett Johansson if only I had the chance to meet her.

And instead, like Obama, you spend your weekend alone.  The what could have happened, in theory, really has no bearing on it.

ΟΚ, can you repeat that in English?

What did happen, happened.  Any arguments that "it could have been worse" are much like you fantasy weekend.

And so are yours about how "it could have been better".
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Landslide Lyndon
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2012, 05:07:22 PM »

McCain's proposal, which was similar to Hilary's, may have worked better as well. 

LOL. You're so awesome I'm wondering why Newt still hasn't asked you to become his VP.
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Landslide Lyndon
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2012, 12:00:03 PM »

The truth is that nobody knows what impact it might have. The only other remotely similar situation was in 1936 when the conservatives in SCOTUS had struck down a number of FDR's New Deal laws.

Everything depends on who wins the message war. At another time, running against SCOTUS would have been political suicide. But nowadays, after Bush v. Gore, Citizens United, etc., 75% of Americans believe that the Justices decide more on partisan basis rather than legal one (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-15/supreme-court-seen-influenced-by-politics-in-health-care-ruling.html). So there is fertile ground there for Obama and the Democrats to run against a Supreme Court that has essentially become an unofficial branch of the Republican party.    
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 12:23:17 PM »

The truth is that nobody knows what impact it might have. The only other remotely similar situation was in 1936 when the conservatives in SCOTUS had struck down a number of FDR's New Deal laws.

Everything depends on who wins the message war. At another time, running against SCOTUS would have been political suicide. But nowadays, after Bush v. Gore, Citizens United, etc., 75% of Americans believe that the Justices decide more on partisan basis rather than legal one (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-15/supreme-court-seen-influenced-by-politics-in-health-care-ruling.html). So there is fertile ground there for Obama and the Democrats to run against a Supreme Court that has essentially become an unofficial branch of the Republican party.    

They can run on it but who are they going to win?  With a roughly 35-25-40 split in this country, politically (left-center-right), I don't see how running against a conservative court wins elections.  I think folks on the left continually overestimate the power of the left's message.  Without translating it into something meaningful, it's just politics and most people tune that sht out.  I think a lot of people will be thanking SCOTUS for striking it down.

Independents hold in even lower regard SCOTUS than Democrats in the poll I linked.

And I don't think that the parents who will see their kids kicked out of their insurance or the seniors who will fall again in the donut hole will be especially thankful towards the court, regardless the ideology.
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