14 States may target birthright citizenship

[Landslide Lyndon]

It surely is about race, but it's also about elections. This is nothing more than an electoral security measure by Republicans scared that minorities will ruin their election chances and need an ace in the hole to neutralize votes, especially in Arizona. If these measures passed, they'd be challenging every Hispanic person that shows up at the polls and throw out tons of votes under the premise of the law.

That. If Hispanics were a heavily Republican group then you would see the likes of Tancredo, King and the Arizona guy marginalized inside the Republican party, not made into folk heroes.

[Landslide Lyndon]

It surely is about race, but it's also about elections. This is nothing more than an electoral security measure by Republicans scared that minorities will ruin their election chances and need an ace in the hole to neutralize votes, especially in Arizona. If these measures passed, they'd be challenging every Hispanic person that shows up at the polls and throw out tons of votes under the premise of the law.

That. If Hispanics were a heavily Republican group then you would see the likes of Tancredo, King and the Arizona guy marginalized inside the Republican party, not made into folk heroes.

So you're saying I don't like Hispanics?

I love it when you guys can't win an argument. It always goes back to racism or sexism or bigotry. There can never be an honest disagreement.

If by racist you mean unwilling to increase the ranks of a Dem-friendly constituency with a lot of new voters thus complicating Republican's electoral math, then yes you are.

[Landslide Lyndon]

You're truly pathetic. Nothing more than a two bit hack.

I'm unwilling to increase the ranks of a Dem friendly constituency when they enter this country illegally. It has nothing to do with electoral politics.

But if they voted Republican then you would be more lenient.

Karl Rove after all admitted that the Bush administration tried to pass immigration reform primarily for electoral reasons.

[Landslide Lyndon]

And, yes, it is a reward to be granted citizenship when your parents aren't citizens.

But the Founding Fathers put it in the Constitution!
How dare you question their wisdom!

[Landslide Lyndon]

And, yes, it is a reward to be granted citizenship when your parents aren't citizens.

But the Founding Fathers put it in the Constitution!
How dare you question their wisdom!

Do you ever seriously engage people from the opposing side?

You lose an argument -> Sprinkle a little ridiculous rhetoric -> Change the subject -> Make more generalizations about me and my beliefs.

I'm beginning to think you just aren't a smart person. This is the best you can do and it's very sad.

Why am I not serious? Constitution is holier than the Bible when it comes to condemning the "Big Government", according to the Republicans. They are even going to read it aloud at the House.

But when it comes to birthright citizenship...

No, I wouldn't. Again, you resort to your same old disgusting rhetoric when you can't win an argument.

If this is all about advancing Republicans, why would I call for redistricting reforms that would cost my party seats in Pennsylvania? You don't like to debate issues, px. You resort to talking points and blatant mischaracterizations.

Well, that's fine and noble. But we aren't talking about you.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Why am I not serious? Constitution is holier than the Bible when it comes to condemning the "Big Government", according to the Republicans. They are even going to read it aloud at the House.

But when it comes to birthright citizenship...

Yes, when it comes to birthright citizenship, which the Founders didn't anticipate being so heinously abused...

So is the second amendment but try tell that to your fellows.

Uh, you called me racist earlier. You told me my views are what they are because they help the GOP. So, yes, we are talking about my views. Do you really forget what you said about two posts ago?

Partisan=Racist?

[Landslide Lyndon]

So is the second amendment but try tell that to your fellows.

Oh, no! More of that gun hysteria from the hand wringing European. Do some more preaching about violence, px. By the way, is your country still burning down?

In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud—I repeat the word 'fraud'—on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all." In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'—'the militia'—would be maintained for the defense of the state."

http://www.tnr.com/article/books-and-arts/76368/the-most-mysterious-right

Of course Warren Burger was a well-known, hand-wringing, liberal European.

So wait, am I partisan despite the example I cited above that you called "noble?" And, yes, apparently I am a racist. You said so yourself. You said it was racist for me to oppose birthright for Hispanics because they aren't Republican. If you're going to be an idiotic hack, at least keep your arguments straight.

Wow! And you accuse EMD for playing the victim card.

[Landslide Lyndon]

In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud—I repeat the word 'fraud'—on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all." In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'—'the militia'—would be maintained for the defense of the state."

http://www.tnr.com/article/books-and-arts/76368/the-most-mysterious-right

Of course Warren Burger was a well-known, hand-wringing, liberal European.

You know, believe it or not, I've heard this argument before! Now should I bother to post all of the judges that have disagreed with him or will you choose to be reasonable and take my word for it?

Of course, they are currently sitting on the Supreme Court.

I was unfairly called a racist and an extreme partisan. I've disproved one and I don't think you actually believe me to be another. I was unfairly attacked.

I didn't say EMD was playing the victim card, for the record. However, countless others (yourself included) make people who break the law out to be the victims while ignoring the people they are skipping over. Just one more reason for you to wring your hands. You don't actually care; you just want to attack those big, mean Republicans!

Nobody called you anything. I talked about Republicans in general and you decided to take offense personally and step in to defend them.

I always look with sympathy people who decide to leave their country in search of a better life. Even if they broke the law I find it disgusting and unseemly to be demonized by the people in power.
We have a big problem with illegal immigration too. But despite that, and the financial crisis, only a small fraction of extreme right-wingers has tried to use the immigrants as boogey-men. The majority of the people sees them with sympathy, even though they agree that tighter border security is desperately needed.   

[Landslide Lyndon]

Nobody called you anything. I talked about Republicans in general and you decided to take offense personally and step in to defend them.

If by racist you mean unwilling to increase the ranks of a Dem-friendly constituency with a lot of new voters thus complicating Republican's electoral math, then yes you are.

And your attack on "Republicans in general" is disgusting and inaccurate, too, but that doesn't matter to you. You're here to troll.

I assume you know what racism means. Because it has nothing to do with what I wrote about you.

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Do you think that it's feasible to uphold the law and deport all the millions of illegal immigrants in the US? Of course not. Neither do those people in power. But it's certainly convenient for them to use those people as a wedge issue to rally the base.

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And how do you show it?
By talking about headless bodies in the desert and presenting them as menacing thugs in political ads?

[Landslide Lyndon]

Both of you are being unreasonably partisan in a broad, ideological sense. Not every problem requires a solution perfectly distilled from concentrated ideology.

Ι never talked about ideology. I reject the local Left's approach of open borders and political asylum for everybody. It's equally reprehensible, unsustainable and dangerous as the demonization of immigrants.

The problem is that Phil takes some things TOO personally. That's why he argues even with people that have ostensibly the same political beliefs with him, like Don and Fezzy.

[Landslide Lyndon]

The problem is that Phil takes some things TOO personally. That's why he argues even with people that have ostensibly the same political beliefs with him, like Don and Fezzy.

You quite clearly called me racist in one of your first posts here. You claimed that those who oppose birthright for children of illegal immigrants base their views on race. When I challenged you to call me a racist, you skated around it by saying I have electoral reasons for it which is still calling me a racist. Then you lumped me in with your other ridiculous generalizations. And to think that my political beliefs are anything like Fezzy's or the beliefs Don pretends to have here is totally inaccurate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1RWjkQ4M8o&feature=related