Why the UKIP are scum

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BNP for posh people, always has been.

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UKIP are nothing like the BNP.

No, but Tory voters go to UKIP for similar reasons Labour voters went to the BNP. So, BNP for posh people.

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Anyway, yes UKIP seem to attract more than their fair share of people with, um, interesting ideas. 

So does Labour.

"White people love playing divide and rule. We should not play their game" - Diane Abbott, Labour MP.

We can play this game all day, but the difference is, UKIP is known for its loons.

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In a 2 party system Thatcher would almost certainly never have become Tory leader, and would certainly not have been able to push her agenda through.

If anything, right wing Liberals would have been her greatest supporters, they'd have given her far more support than to a One Nation candidate.

Agreed. There is a major inconsistency in the left as to what the Lib Dems are. When they go in coalition with the Tories, they're right wing, Orange Book jerks, but as soon as we talk hypothetical two party system, 100% of them are social democratic Labour voters.

No, no, no.

The remaining rump of LibDem support is right wing, Orange Book jerks. The SDP leaners have all come home to Labour.

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You don't need to speculate; Lib/SDP 2nd preferences were polled at the time and freefair was right, although if anything he slightly underestimated Thatchers popularity

Edit: figures are here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8506306.stm

Jeebus, AND in 1992 as well!Then, it would have been something like 52.5-47.5.
Would have been brutal for them in 97 and 01, probably 60-40 at least to a united left block.

Does anyone have current 2nd preference numbers?

Found this for 2010 election. I couldnt find any figures for 2013
However I dont know if this link will work. If it does page 8 onwards on the PDf. It even has 2nd preference by region http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CGUQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oxfordjournals.org%2Four_journals%2Fparlij%2Fgsq042.pdf&ei=H1L9UOWcI6OG0AXOrIGgDQ&usg=AFQjCNEUk0hygeQDQu4GvWRuAWFstXOpeA

For those who can't be bothered to sift through a PDF,  The Lib Dem 2nd preferences were:
lab 40, con 27, ukip 12, green 21, BNP 1

The obvious thing to conclude from all the 2nd preferences is how toxic the Tory brand has become after 1992; Shows you just how effective new labour's negative campaigning and spin was.

You don't think any of that's their own doing? After the 1992-97 parliament, Hague, IDS, Howard and Cameron's wishy-washy strategy in opposition, are you shocked?