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Yes >90%
 
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Yes >60%
 
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No >70%
 
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Schiff for Senate
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« on: August 07, 2023, 04:35:52 PM »

Most ballot initiatives are falsely marketed to voters, and a "yes" vote for the voter has unforseen consequences (although the consequences were not just forseen, but PLANNED by the moneyed interests that usually frame these ballot questions).

Funnily enough, this is the PERFECT description for this very initiative that you are in favor of. As for the "moneyed interests," in this case there appears to be one particular moneyed interest from outside OH who for some reason has a big stake in this -




So the lack of self-awareness in writing this, in this thread, as you proclaim your support for Issue 1, is as ironic as it is astounding.
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2023, 07:53:36 PM »

Most ballot initiatives are falsely marketed to voters, and a "yes" vote for the voter has unforseen consequences (although the consequences were not just forseen, but PLANNED by the moneyed interests that usually frame these ballot questions).

Funnily enough, this is the PERFECT description for this very initiative that you are in favor of. As for the "moneyed interests," in this case there appears to be one particular moneyed interest from outside OH who for some reason has a big stake in this -



So the lack of self-awareness in writing this, in this thread, as you proclaim your support for Issue 1, is as ironic as it is astounding.

It's not astounding at all.  Moneyed interests are on both sides of the issue.  Most ballot initiatives seek to use appeals that are manipulative and dishonest, so I view a 60 percent threshold as a means of blocking some stupidity.

Your personal attack on me was rather smarmy.  I figured I'd mention it to help you with your own self-awareness level.  Welcome to the Forum.


This is very patronizing, particularly from someone who considers themselves to be anti-elitist. The people are intelligent enough (though you're welcome to consider yourself an exception) to make decisions for themselves without arbitrary barriers blocking them from doing so.

As you yourself said, there are "moneyed interests" on both sides of each issue, and so whichever side does a better job at persuading the people should win. It's not as if the yea side of ballot initiatives is automatically the side that receives more support from the establishment; both sides have various interests backing them up (in this case, it's well-established that the side pushing for Issue 1 was the more "moneyed" special interest).

Ultimately, though, you and I both know what the amendment's real purpose was, and on the off chance that you didn't, State Rep. Brian Stewart, the amendment's author, literally admitted that the purpose was to block the upcoming referendums on abortion, a higher minimum wage and fair redistricting from passing.

And if your real problem is the "moneyed interests," not a higher minimum wage or abortion rights or laws preventing GOP gerrymandering, then how about some stricter campaign finance laws?
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2023, 02:17:26 PM »


Issue 1 lost OH-1 by a 30% margin that is, but yeah, the district is gone for Republicans as it's drawn now.  The trend is too strong.

I mean a 30 point loss in OH-01 isn't exactly surprising, nor is it very different from the overall statewide swing. OH went from Trump+8 in 2020 to No+14, or a 22 point swing leftward. If OH-01, which was Biden+8, went to roughly No+30. That's pretty much the exact same swing as the state as a whole. A 30 point loss seems very impressive until you consider the overall statewide result, and of course the fact that the new OH-01 was already quite Democratic to begin with (and of course we all know that, but there may be a tendency to still consider OH-01 to be one of those left-trending districts which still has a GOP advantage...after all, that's how it was for a while).
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