What Comes After: A 2024 Game (Signup/Discussion)

[Schiff for Senate]

Requesting Gretchen Whitmer.

Oh sh**t. I'm literally 5 minutes too late to claim her.

[Schiff for Senate]

Let's try something else, then. I could be Cooper again, but I really don't want to, since I used up all ammunition in the last game and it'd get very boring for me soon enough. And the other Democrats don't appeal much to me. So put me up as Kristi Noem. I'll settle for one hot midwestern governor instead of the other (Whitmer).

[Schiff for Senate]

Jumping in as Kari Lake

I'm sorry but there's so much room for conspiracy theorizing wackos (and in any case, if you want to go there, you're better off with Marjorie Taylor Greene anyways. At least she won her race in 2022).

It helped that she was in a Trump+38 district instead of a Biden state. And in fact, Greene underperformed Trump 2020 in GA14 than Lake did in AZ.

[Schiff for Senate]

The Harris campaign strategy:


Harnessing the power of Ann Richards and Bill Nelson, we will unite every single coastal state in our column inshallah.

More than anything else, I'm curious as to why AL is so Democratic in particular?

[Schiff for Senate]

The Harris campaign strategy:


Harnessing the power of Ann Richards and Bill Nelson, we will unite every single coastal state in our column inshallah.

316 firewall!

*freiwal

[Schiff for Senate]

I assume that we're still free to detail the whole turn even after the posting of the midterm, as long as we've done it by the 23rd, right? Also, will the upcoming debate be its own separate turn or consolidated into the next one? I'll be out on vacation for a week starting on the 21st, and my connection may be limited then.

Yes you can post your whole turn after the midterm as long as it’s before the 23rd. The debate will come with the next turn. Around Boxing Day I think.

Very sorry for the late notice - was going to post this last week but forgot to - but it is possible I will not be able to get Noem's stuff in by the 2erd. I have semester finals this coming week, and won't be free till Thursday evening PT. I thus may need an extension of a few days. Now, Thursday is the 22nd and your deadline is the 23rd, so I might be able to get it all done after school on Friday. However, I might need an extension, and it's possible my stuff comes in on the 23rd, or the 24th. I promise you my stuff will be up before 12:00 AM PT on Christmas. I'd appreciate it if that's acceptable to you. If not, I will definitely try and get it up on Thursday (or even earlier) itself - but if it's not acceptable to delay the turn a day or two, and I can't get it done, then I guess Noem might just bow out before the game has even really kicked off.

[Schiff for Senate]

I assume that we're still free to detail the whole turn even after the posting of the midterm, as long as we've done it by the 23rd, right? Also, will the upcoming debate be its own separate turn or consolidated into the next one? I'll be out on vacation for a week starting on the 21st, and my connection may be limited then.

Yes you can post your whole turn after the midterm as long as it’s before the 23rd. The debate will come with the next turn. Around Boxing Day I think.

Very sorry for the late notice - was going to post this last week but forgot to - but it is possible I will not be able to get Noem's stuff in by the 2erd. I have semester finals this coming week, and won't be free till Thursday evening PT. I thus may need an extension of a few days. Now, Thursday is the 22nd and your deadline is the 23rd, so I might be able to get it all done after school on Friday. However, I might need an extension, and it's possible my stuff comes in on the 23rd, or the 24th. I promise you my stuff will be up before 12:00 AM PT on Christmas. I'd appreciate it if that's acceptable to you. If not, I will definitely try and get it up on Thursday (or even earlier) itself - but if it's not acceptable to delay the turn a day or two, and I can't get it done, then I guess Noem might just bow out before the game has even really kicked off.

I won't get turn II up until after Christmas Day so as long as you get it in....

Appreciate it. Will definitely get my stuff up by then.

[Schiff for Senate]

Got the first ten days for Noem up. My worry is I may be unleashing too much stuff all at once, and I should pace myself and not get rid of too much ammunition too quickly. What do you all think? Could I give Noem's attacks/messages at a slower pace? Should I? I mean, it's only been 10 days, and though there's doubtless plenty of other things to say at this juncture (hell, I've not even attacked all my opponents - only Pence and Hogan, so far, and those two are among the least of Noem's worries), my fear is I'll run out and have to keep recycling all the same stuff soon enough if I don't slow down.

[Schiff for Senate]

Attention All

Everything is going swell.

I am undecided about when to make the first debate, should I do it between this turn and the second turn? Should I do it at the start of the second turn? What do you all think?

IMO you should do it in the second turn.

[Schiff for Senate]

Got the first ten days for Noem up. My worry is I may be unleashing too much stuff all at once, and I should pace myself and not get rid of too much ammunition too quickly. What do you all think? Could I give Noem's attacks/messages at a slower pace? Should I? I mean, it's only been 10 days, and though there's doubtless plenty of other things to say at this juncture (hell, I've not even attacked all my opponents - only Pence and Hogan, so far, and those two are among the least of Noem's worries), my fear is I'll run out and have to keep recycling all the same stuff soon enough if I don't slow down.

With the length of this primary, plus the rate at which you're going, you'll be fully worn out doing the day-to-day schedules before the first turn is even over. I'd strongly advise to follow the model that KaiserDave suggested for us: Think about the big picture points you want to touch on for each turn and put your attention towards that. Which voters do you wish to target? How will you promote yourself? Time is a lot more fluid in this game, and posting in a linear fashion isn't even necessary so much as just describing what activities and talking points you want the candidate to achieve before the turn is up.

Your first post in the thread is a great start. I'd rework it to take out the dates and instead focus on what you want to do and say overall between February and May.

Great advice. Thanks; I’ll rework my post accordingly once I get back from school.

[Schiff for Senate]

I might've missed it - how do you garner endorsements in the game? Does KaiserDave just unilaterally choose who endorses who at each mid-turn and turn? Do you PM him with who all you want the endorsement of and he picks and chooses from there? Do you need to "court" endorsements in the game and get them from there?

In any case, just saw the mid turn polling and NGL it has me pretty pessimistic. Of course I didn't expect Noem to be doing well going in, and I read Dave's warning to take early polls with a grain of salt, but still - this confirms it's going to be a very uphill battle for Noem.

[Schiff for Senate]

Stone vs. Pence

While making his announcement speech in Ames, IA, former Vice President Mike Pence was interrupted and heckled by fellow Republican candidate Roger Stone. Stone, with a full-on camera crew documenting every angle at his side, laid out the seeming dishonesty and hypocrisy coming from Pence's rhetoric regarding Donald Trump. The full remarks from Stone's ambush follows:

"You're a damn dirty liar, Mike Pence! First you spend four years sucking up to President Trump, begging for his endorsement in 2024, and now what? Now you call him a failure? Now you call him the biggest mistake of your life?

You've just given a big middle finger to the tens of millions of Americans who voted for you and Donald Trump to make this country great again! Ladies and gentlemen, he couldn't defend us on January 6th, and now the man won't even defend his own administration! What the hell sort of record can he even claim to run on?

Why don't you just drop out now and save us the trouble, man?"

As security arrived to escort Stone and the crew out of the stadium, Stone added: "Here comes the Washington establishment's finest to silence any opposing viewpoints. This is why I'm running, folks! RogerStone.com! Jail Biden, Free Trump!"

Just as the Vice President was ready to resume his remarks, one last cry from Stone was heard: "Asshole!"

The ambush in Ames, along with the full course of events leading up to it, was meticulously documented and crafted into a slick, glossy campaign video and mini-documentary titled "Stone vs. Pence." Upon its release the day after, it quickly became a viral sensation—the first of its kind this campaign season.

Is this sort of inter-candidate interaction, made by own player, allowed? Reminds me of what PinkPanther did in the other 2024 game, and that just made things more chaotic. Not saying I wouldn't expect this from Stone if he was running against Pence IRL, but still.

[Schiff for Senate]

Stone vs. Pence

While making his announcement speech in Ames, IA, former Vice President Mike Pence was interrupted and heckled by fellow Republican candidate Roger Stone. Stone, with a full-on camera crew documenting every angle at his side, laid out the seeming dishonesty and hypocrisy coming from Pence's rhetoric regarding Donald Trump. The full remarks from Stone's ambush follows:

"You're a damn dirty liar, Mike Pence! First you spend four years sucking up to President Trump, begging for his endorsement in 2024, and now what? Now you call him a failure? Now you call him the biggest mistake of your life?

You've just given a big middle finger to the tens of millions of Americans who voted for you and Donald Trump to make this country great again! Ladies and gentlemen, he couldn't defend us on January 6th, and now the man won't even defend his own administration! What the hell sort of record can he even claim to run on?

Why don't you just drop out now and save us the trouble, man?"

As security arrived to escort Stone and the crew out of the stadium, Stone added: "Here comes the Washington establishment's finest to silence any opposing viewpoints. This is why I'm running, folks! RogerStone.com! Jail Biden, Free Trump!"

Just as the Vice President was ready to resume his remarks, one last cry from Stone was heard: "Asshole!"

The ambush in Ames, along with the full course of events leading up to it, was meticulously documented and crafted into a slick, glossy campaign video and mini-documentary titled "Stone vs. Pence." Upon its release the day after, it quickly became a viral sensation—the first of its kind this campaign season.

Is this sort of inter-candidate interaction, made by own player, allowed? Reminds me of what PinkPanther did in the other 2024 game, and that just made things more chaotic. Not saying I wouldn't expect this from Stone if he was running against Pence IRL, but still.

Player playing as Pence speaking: As long as it doesn't get too ridiculous, I'd be fine with it (though if I were to drop out, I suppose I could coordinate with the Kari Lake player to have her kill Pence...)

....What the hell?

[Schiff for Senate]

Justin Amash's camapign for president; A Helping Hand.

July
In the midst of a string of speeches and events through Iowa, New Hampshire, and Georgia, Amash took followers with him to hear a number of important liberty leaning figures speak in favor of his candidacy. This list included Ron Paul, Rand Paul, John Stossel, Gary Johnson, Ted Cruz, Eric July, Gary Oldman, Clint Eastwood, Nicolas Sarwark, Jo Jorgenson, Thomas Massie, Matt Gaetz, and Scott Perry.

I feel like this list on the whole is too right-wing for Amash tbh. Overall, sure, there are more prominent libertarians in the GOP than the Democrats (such as the Pauls and Thomas Massie), but honestly, I highly doubt he'd include someone like, say, Matt Gaetz. Just my thoughts, of course, but also, if Amash was running a national campaign, I feel like he'd be better served to have a more "balanced" list so as to avoid alienating left-of-center libertarians (unless he intends to focus mostly on right-leaning libertarians? in which case this list is pretty solid probably).

[Schiff for Senate]

Justin Amash's camapign for president; A Helping Hand.

July
In the midst of a string of speeches and events through Iowa, New Hampshire, and Georgia, Amash took followers with him to hear a number of important liberty leaning figures speak in favor of his candidacy. This list included Ron Paul, Rand Paul, John Stossel, Gary Johnson, Ted Cruz, Eric July, Gary Oldman, Clint Eastwood, Nicolas Sarwark, Jo Jorgenson, Thomas Massie, Matt Gaetz, and Scott Perry.

I feel like this list on the whole is too right-wing for Amash tbh. Overall, sure, there are more prominent libertarians in the GOP than the Democrats (such as the Pauls and Thomas Massie), but honestly, I highly doubt he'd include someone like, say, Matt Gaetz. Just my thoughts, of course, but also, if Amash was running a national campaign, I feel like he'd be better served to have a more "balanced" list so as to avoid alienating left-of-center libertarians (unless he intends to focus mostly on right-leaning libertarians? in which case this list is pretty solid probably).

It has been voided

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[Schiff for Senate]

So I got my debate responses in, though I might add some more rebuttals to the other candidate's responses (depending on who adds their candidate's responses hereafter).

But a few notes: I wrote a lot of stuff in response to Pence before realizing that NYE was going to have him drop out anyway. I posted the stuff, but strictly in the context that Noem was under the assumption that Pence was still running when she said it (i.e., Pence first revealed he'd be leaving the contest after she replied to him).

Secondly, I know that the responses were to be quite concise, and I've noticed mine are...kind of long. For that, Dave, I truly apologise, and in a lot of places I tried whittling it down to a more readable amount. But in a few places, I do worry what I wrote is dangerously long. Hope it's okay - but if it is too long, do let me know and I can shorten it.

[Schiff for Senate]

Just reminding everyone not to get in back and forths. Make your post and stick to it

But a lot of the responses have trickled in after I posted my own response. So if it's good with you I'm going to write a separate post in response to their response where appropriate (though if you'd like I could then edit my older post to fit it all there).

Btw, because I suspected my responses were too long, I did trim them a little.

LIN WOOD ATTEMPTS TO STORM DEBATE STAGE BUT IS FORCIBLY REMOVED BY SECURITY, INSTEAD SETS UP REMOTE DEBATE FROM NEWSMAX STUDIOS

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  LMAO. This is hilarious. Thanks for the entertainment.

[Schiff for Senate]

Just reminding everyone not to get in back and forths. Make your post and stick to it

But a lot of the responses have trickled in after I posted my own response. So if it's good with you I'm going to write a separate post in response to their response where appropriate (though if you'd like I could then edit my older post to fit it all there).

Btw, because I suspected my responses were too long, I did trim them a little.

LIN WOOD ATTEMPTS TO STORM DEBATE STAGE BUT IS FORCIBLY REMOVED BY SECURITY, INSTEAD SETS UP REMOTE DEBATE FROM NEWSMAX STUDIOS

...

  LMAO. This is hilarious. Thanks for the entertainment.

It's not good with me, no back and forth.

Fair enough. Tbh I didn't post anything else yet because I kind of realised that there wasn't a lot I had to say in response to the candidates (except Wood, but then, he's a meme-tier, joke candidate and there's really no point engaging with him).

[Schiff for Senate]

Also, just to make sure I'm in compliance with debate rules: I wouldn't be allowed to respond to Ishan's statement on Stone, correct?

Btw I found the opening line of your opening speech ("I'm Roger Stone, tonight's sharpest dressed man on stage") to be pretty hilarious as well (tbh it almost paints Stone as an ageing metrosexual, lol).

[Schiff for Senate]

Two General Reminders.

1. At this point, unless you're a self-funder or maybe Vice President Harris nobody has the money to air TV ads in every early state, general rule. I've been lax with ads because I trust you all, but it's worth a reminder.

2. Turn Ends January 4th, the next turn will drop probably late the 4th or early the 5th. And watch out, this turn will be bigger and badder than any turn we've seen so far! I'm excited. Get your posts in!

Will the coming turn INCLUDE the IA/SC primaries? Or will it end, and then immediately followed by IA/SC? Like, is this the last full turn we will have before the first primaries/caucuses are held?

[Schiff for Senate]

A general caution against campaign trail back and forth. It gets repetitive, unproductive, and I don’t need it. Focus on your campaigns.

Well what if Lin Wood genuinely believes that Kristi Noem is having baby-eating parties with Kamala Harris?

Lin Wood helps make the game entertaining for all of us. If Dave's cool with it, I'd say carry on!

[Schiff for Senate]

After seeing the bad reactions to Noem's debate responses (not that I can blame Kaiser - I myself feel they weren't that great and that some of the other candidates' were honestly better), and, moreover, her terrible polling, I was seriously on the verge of announcing Noem dropping out, since it seemed hopeless...that is, until I saw her actually doing decently in Iowa. Will stay in for now, but I need to make sure she puts up a decent performance in Iowa. If she does badly, I'll make her the first drop-out of the contest (second, come to think of it, after Mike Pence).

[Schiff for Senate]

After seeing the bad reactions to Noem's debate responses (not that I can blame Kaiser - I myself feel they weren't that great and that some of the other candidates' were honestly better), and, moreover, her terrible polling, I was seriously on the verge of announcing Noem dropping out, since it seemed hopeless...that is, until I saw her actually doing decently in Iowa. Will stay in for now, but I need to make sure she puts up a decent performance in Iowa. If she does badly, I'll make her the first drop-out of the contest (second, come to think of it, after Mike Pence).

Speaking of which, be on the lookout for a possible Pence endorsement sometime around the New Hampshire Primary (It'll probably be Haley, but I wouldn't completely rule out endorsing Youngkin or DeSantis.)

No offence, but after everything you've had Pence say and do, a Pence endorsement would, if anything, be more of a liability (if it mattered at all).

[Schiff for Senate]

After seeing the bad reactions to Noem's debate responses (not that I can blame Kaiser - I myself feel they weren't that great and that some of the other candidates' were honestly better), and, moreover, her terrible polling, I was seriously on the verge of announcing Noem dropping out, since it seemed hopeless...that is, until I saw her actually doing decently in Iowa. Will stay in for now, but I need to make sure she puts up a decent performance in Iowa. If she does badly, I'll make her the first drop-out of the contest (second, come to think of it, after Mike Pence).

Speaking of which, be on the lookout for a possible Pence endorsement sometime around the New Hampshire Primary (It'll probably be Haley, but I wouldn't completely rule out endorsing Youngkin or DeSantis.)

No offence, but after everything you've had Pence say and do, a Pence endorsement would, if anything, be more of a liability (if it mattered at all).

That's certainly plausible. I'm certainly not above tanking a candidacy like DeSantis's (or Hawley's).

Pence is certainly not important enough to tank either nomination even if he wanted to, but he could hurt their candidacies a bit.

[Schiff for Senate]

Having Noem withdraw from this game. I've seriously considered doing so multiple times but have put it off. But now I've made up my mind. I won't even bother with a dropping-out post as Noem in the gameplay thread, if you don't mind.
Neither am I particularly enjoying the game, and nor, when you get down to it, is there much of a chance at all of Noem winning. Her chances at victory, let's face it, are very, very slim.
Besides, the gameplay consumes quite a bit of time for me that, quite frankly, I'd rather spend doing other things.

So Noem is dropping out of the race as of right now.