kasich wishes lgbt+ people would "just get over" discrimination (user search)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
June 09, 2024, 08:27:17 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Election Archive
  Election Archive
  2016 U.S. Presidential Election
  kasich wishes lgbt+ people would "just get over" discrimination (search mode)
Pages: [1]
Author Topic: kasich wishes lgbt+ people would "just get over" discrimination  (Read 3710 times)
Sprouts Farmers Market ✘
Sprouts
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,803
Italy


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: 1.74

« on: April 18, 2016, 06:02:13 PM »

There's nothing not moderate about this.
Logged
Sprouts Farmers Market ✘
Sprouts
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,803
Italy


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: 1.74

« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2016, 06:04:43 PM »

Bill Clinton agrees. He said the one remaining bigotry is people who don't talk to each other.

This thread had NOTHING to do with Sanders or the Clintons until you barged in, you bloody moron.

At this point, he's a net positive helping Hillary win. Let him post it. Every positive thing he says about Bill brings me closer to the Clinton Caboose
Logged
Sprouts Farmers Market ✘
Sprouts
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,803
Italy


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: 1.74

« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2016, 06:28:22 PM »

A Small Business should have the right to decline service to anybody they want.

So we again will need publications like this to know where and where my type or your type is welcome or not?

I'd be perfectly fine with that. If they don't want to serve me, their economy can gladly continue to suffer Smiley
Logged
Sprouts Farmers Market ✘
Sprouts
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,803
Italy


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: 1.74

« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2016, 09:14:50 PM »

I know lots of right-wing people who are slamming Kasich for his "spinelessness" because he's refused to back "religious liberty" exemptions from providing certain services to gay people. This is the flip-side of that, and it's clear that the left-wingers here are no less restrained in their sanctimonious OUTRAGE that Kasich doesn't conform entirely to their opinions. Kasich's position is genuinely one of moderation-- he essentially agrees with the liberal policy perspective on this issue, and only calls for maybe not crying bloody murder about it-- and we see what kind of response that provokes.

This election, and the abuse that has been hurled at John Kasich, has shown me that left only feigns tolerance for "moderate Republicans", when in actuality-- as we've seen with Kasich-- they have no hesitation in labelling anything that diverges from Democratic Party orthodoxy as "extremism". I've seen Kasich called "extreme" for being pro-life, anti-union, cutting taxes... seriously, if you were to ask them what kind of "moderate Republican" they'd consider tolerable, you'd get someone more or less with the political views of Hillary Clinton.

The left finds Hillary Clinton positively unpalatable so you may want to reconsider that. Orthodoxy is a staple as you move out thataways.
Logged
Sprouts Farmers Market ✘
Sprouts
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,803
Italy


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: 1.74

« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2016, 10:51:05 PM »

So is Kasich the candidate that Log Cabin Republicans are going to get behind?  Are we going to hear more talking points that we gay Democrats are about nothing but identity politics, our party isn't any better for gays (LOL), you're going to change the Republican Party from within.  Yeah, how's that working for you?  If Ted Cruz gets the nomination it will be funny seeing the utter $h**hole you will be in.

The gay Republicans are very solidly behind Trump and have been for quite some time. We will not back down. #LGBTrump #MakeAmericaFabulousAgain
Logged
Sprouts Farmers Market ✘
Sprouts
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,803
Italy


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: 1.74

« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2016, 11:34:51 PM »

If someone doesn't want to serve you because of your orientation, you should have the right to know that so you don't allocate your resources in a way that benefit them. It's to the benefit of both parties.
Logged
Sprouts Farmers Market ✘
Sprouts
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,803
Italy


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: 1.74

« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2016, 11:39:11 PM »

Gee, I wonder what people right now would think of a presidential candidate in 1960 - 1964 who says "Blacks need to get over voting rights and segregation. Find another place to live if you're turned away. It'll settle down."

Not supporting discrimination and the willingness to stick up for all Americans who are discriminated against is a non-negotiable requirement for my vote. I am sure as hell not going to just "get over it". If LGBT people decide to just "get over it", then state-sanctioned discrimination policies and general treatment from bigoted people will only get worse for us. The only people it will settle down for is the people who want to discriminate.

Segregation and denying voting rights were done by governments. Kasich never said gay people shouldnt have the right to vote or get married, he said they should not get super angry if one business denies a service. In fact he believes that conservatives should also get over gay marriage. His position on this is to the left of me

Try that logic when your daughter is denied service because the guy didn't like that she had Autism. I'm going to get angry when someone treats me with less respect than they give to other humans. And I don't think any reasonable person would have a difficult time understanding that.

Again, why do you want to give money to an intolerant person who has problems with people based on these features?
Logged
Sprouts Farmers Market ✘
Sprouts
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,803
Italy


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: 1.74

« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2016, 11:42:45 PM »

There is no legal punishment if they begrudgingly give you poor service. There is no solace in them only receiving a reward and no punishment when the respect is not present.
Logged
Sprouts Farmers Market ✘
Sprouts
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,803
Italy


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: 1.74

« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2016, 12:30:58 AM »


Again he has also told business they should give service to everyone. And this mainly applies to small businesses not big business, so people should just get their services from big businesses .

This is a quote from one of the debates:

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

A reasonable assumption is that his logic applies to all types of businesses, and he's asking people to be tolerant of other people's discrimination against them and to go somewhere else. I'm guessing he is telling businesses to serve everyone, then telling customers who are refused service to "be tolerant" and go somewhere else. He's playing both sides, which in this context, is sick and weak of him.

I don't even think I care anymore whether or not he changes his position (again?). I think I understand that he will play to whichever side helps his presidential prospects more. So if he is straddling the line on this subject for partisan purposes, then he is just disgusting.

I don't think this is him playing both sides or trying to get elected at all. He knows he's got no chance. I think he is saying how he really thinks it should be and most Republicans would agree with him.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.038 seconds with 10 queries.