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Question:  Todd Salzman and Michael Lawler
#1
yes, fully: ordain openly gay and transgender bishops, perform gay and transgender marriages, strike references to LGBT being an practice as sinful from the Catechism
 
#2
a qualified yes: homosexual relations will be accepted by the Church in some form or fashion, but will lack the full 'privileges' offered to heterosexual partnerships
 
#3
no: the Church will hold strong and make little or no alteration to its current policies on LGBT
 
#4
the Roman Catholic Church will split into two or more churches over this issue
 
#5
other (explain)
 
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Total Voters: 57

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« on: April 06, 2015, 06:28:41 PM »

Seems like effectively no change since I offered up the gay marriage in the RCC question in October. :/
At first glance, it looks like people are somewhat hopeful, but I guess that's because of the moderate option included.

I'm still a likely foolish and idealistic YES vote because I want to believe my religion is very accepting.

I could see a case for Option 4, but I want to believe there is some sort of merging rather than further dilution due to fringe issues. Perhaps, they're not "fringe issues" to all (including myself), but just because the Church teaches something doesn't mean it gets followed (like contraception for 95+% of Americans). This is obviously different from contraception because of the visibility of it, but I don't know if it requires a split amongst Catholics. Some could surely just convert to Episcopalianism if they felt the need to resort to that - tradition and some minutia that one doesn't have to publicly acknowledge if they still like the Catholic viewpoint notwithstanding. I'm not sure there would be enough actively religious straight allies to join them in splitting off to form a strong alternative that believes in Catholic doctrine outside of LGBT issues as much as I'd like to see something like that. People will have to compromise on something and for most it will be what affects their life most - whether it be continuing tradition with ties to the Vatican (basically all straights and then some) or marrying outside the RCC if they found someone and are ready to do so.
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2015, 09:43:49 AM »

The Catholics will as soon as the Assembly of God and that's never. I also see the likelihood of a split as well.

It'll be a glorious day when everyone like you is dead and can't impede progress by stepping on people's freedoms that bring no harm or immorality to the world.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2015, 07:59:36 AM »
« Edited: July 09, 2015, 08:23:00 AM by Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death Points »

The Catholics will as soon as the Assembly of God and that's never. I also see the likelihood of a split as well.

It'll be a glorious day when everyone like you is dead and can't impede progress by stepping on people's freedoms that bring no harm or immorality to the world.


I think that was rather uncalled for. Be a gentleman; else you've already lost the argument.


JCL is a terrible poster, you see. It was rather called for. I would never have said that to TJ for instance because he is the best Republican poster on the forum even if I disagree with him on the matter.


The Catholics will as soon as the Assembly of God and that's never. I also see the likelihood of a split as well.

It'll be a glorious day when everyone like you is dead and can't impede progress by stepping on people's freedoms that bring no harm or immorality to the world.

Hold on here. You are aware the Assemblies of God is one the fastest growing Christian denominations in the world. We (I say we because I'm part of the fellowship) are growing faster than the U.S. population.

Wonderful news for us Christians! I can only hope the rest of them aren't homophobic like yourself. You do realize majorities of both Catholics and Protestants are in favor of gay marriage legalization.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2015, 01:22:10 PM »

Well, I think it is a matter of where you are. I was baptized into the Roman Catholic Church by an openly gay priest. In Europe, some of South America, and Canada, there is a lot more LGBT acceptance within church circles than in the US or Africa.

There is no way you can lump the US with Africa when like 60% of Catholics support SSM and the Church doesn't talk about it. We are not located in the south.
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