Washington state megathread

[Holmes]

On a more serious note, fake poster or not, it's interesting to see the opposition has now basically resorted to always saying "leave me be" or "don't call me a bigot" or whatever after they talk.

[Holmes]

$1.2 million in a short amount of time for a domestic partnership referendum is pretty good... they'd better stay on good terms with their donors for the next couple of election cycles when the big same-sex marriage initiative comes up. If R-71 wins, that is, and it's looking better (to me) than last week or so.

(Also Reject R-71's numbers are telling but predictable, same thing happened in Maine where NOM, Focus on the Family and the Catholic Church were like 70% of Q3 donations for Yes on 1.)

[Holmes]

And it'll still end up on the ballot anyway. But same-sex couples in Washington might get lucky and it'll end up on the 2010 ballot, or unlucky and it'll end up in an off-year ballot. By redefining R-71 about marriage(and losing), the opposition is basically disallowing itself to say "you, the voters of Washington, did not have a say when the activist legislators in Olympia passed the radical redefinition of marriage blah blah!" when the real same-sex marriage initiative comes to a vote.

Well, I say that, but they'll still give the whole "we're the voiceless victims righting the wrong and giving the people their say" speech, like always. Cause, you know, committee hearings and meetings with local legislators don't count as having a voice. But that's a totally different subject

[Holmes]

"That particular group of judges saw the law one way; we'll take it to the next group of judges that may have the opportunity to see it the correct way," said Stephen Pidgeon, attorney for the conservative religious organization.

Is it November 4th yet? At least opposition in Maine acts tame towards same-sex couples in public.

[Holmes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBEkwOoRSCI

More please

This is my rebuttal. Both are great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VRllXxsRoo

Guys, I'm showing this to my childhood professor on Thursday. I can't wait to see what he says.

[Holmes]

If R-71 is approved, the same-sex marriage bill has to be passed either next year or in 2012. If it comes up for a vote in an off-off year, then I don't know if it would be able to win at the ballot box considering R-71 is closer than it should be, for Washington.

[And if it abolishes the Domestic Partnership registry like DC's bill, I'd be angry... and it's stupid how it's only for gay and senior couples. Why not open it to all couples who just don't wanna get married but want the legal benefits? Anyway...]

[Holmes]

Why does King county just not care?

[Holmes]

Looks like R-71 will probably win by 2%. SUSA had it up by 7%, so I'll just say that Washington's gay Bradley Effect is 5%. At least on off-off year elections.

Maine's is about 4%.

[Holmes]

I'm glad. The margin was really close though... maybe it has to do with all the attention being in Maine that all the resources went there instead. Plus all the Reject supporters thinking this has to do with marriage. And it was an off-off year election.

Well Washingtonians, get ready to be invaded by Schubert-Flint and NOM in the next few years.

[Holmes]

Kind of unrelated, but has anyone ever played the game "Mother"? In English, it's nicknamed "Earthbound Zero". Anyway, I imported it, and there's actually a place called "Spookane". The game is an RPG about paranormal stuff, etc etc and the town is infested with ghosts when you first get there... though it was pretty funny.

[Holmes]

Dem field in WA-03 is down to three:

http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/mar/25/independent-rodriguez-salazar-withdraws-from-3rd-d/

So I take it with the top-two primary system, there's a lot of pressure to keep the number of legitimate party candidates down to two now (so there's the guarantee that at least one of them will move on to the general)?

Some of those anti-latino comments are pretty funny. Especially the one that says she's withdrawing because of her anti-white views and trying to make a grand latino army.

[Holmes]

This Dino Rossi character seems like such a pest. After trying to become governor and failing twice, he tries his next power grab by telling Murray how to do her job?

[Holmes]

Jamie Pedersen is adorable. Pocket gay.

[Holmes]

It also places total power in the hands of a select few, depending on how close the majority party is to the 2/3rd's. If the majority party only needs a vote or two to pass something, then someone can promise their vote by getting whatever they want, whenever they want passed as well. See: cretin Abel Maldonado.

[Holmes]

The state legislature has finally adjourned for the year.

OUR LIBERTIES ARE SAFE ONCE AGAIN.

[Holmes]

Wow! You read all 176 pages? You deserve a medal or sumthin'.

[Holmes]

21k.

[Holmes]

Expect to see ads very soon about how if R-74 is approved churches will be forced by the government to marry gay couples.

No, the ads will be about how YOUR children will be taught in class about how being gay is ok and people of the same-sex will be able to get married, and how they'll be taught about gay sex and be forced to attend their teachers' gay marriages. Then, the referendum will not pass.

[Holmes]

WA-03

Herrera Beutler
Total raised: $1,568,000
Total spent: $1,208,000
CoH: $441,000

Haugen
Total raised: $0
Total spent: $0
CoH: $0

[Holmes]

School children are taught not to like marijuana. Not that it ever really sticks...

[Holmes]

But krazen said that's good news.