GA-06 and SC-05 election day & results thread

[Holmes]

In the end, Ossoff received the exact same % of the vote he got in round 1 - 48.1%. All that money to get the same exact % of the vote. What a complete waste. Democrats should have never tried in this seat.

Maybe. But an investment is an investment, whether or not you see the results right away. The enthusiasm and new registered voters this special brought in for Democrats will go a pong way towards making Georgia more competitive in the future. In what might've been a fluke for Clinton in a yesr where Price won by 23% was just replicated by a previously unknown Democrat eight months later. I think that shows that investment is always a good thing, even if you don't necessarily win the battle.

[Holmes]

Just correcting this wack-ass image that uses DCCC funding for Group A and total contributions (including small donations) for Ossoff; that uses presidential results instead of House results because it self-cherrypicks the data-points for the narrative they want

This is exactly what I was dreading from an Ossoff loss. It wasn't the idea of missing out on an extra seat in Congress or having a battle-hardened incumbent for 2018, it was that people on the left would all pile on about how everyone else is wrong and the party is a giant failure, while cherry-picking statistics to buttress their argument. That's not even factoring in the idea that these districts have special elections right now precisely because Trump's admin. thought they were safe (and most of them were, on paper) when they snatched the Representatives out of them.

The fact that we even came this close in districts like KS-4, SC-5 and GA-6 should be cause of celebration on its own, except that months of building up excitement and expectations shifted the goalposts so far that now it is somehow a failure and a disappointment and somehow vindicates that suburbs are TOTALLY lost for Democrats and we should take the establishment folks and string them up!

I mean my god folks.

In the end, Ossoff received the exact same % of the vote he got in round 1 - 48.1%. All that money to get the same exact % of the vote. What a complete waste. Democrats should have never tried in this seat.

And right as I clicked post, this comes in and provides a clear example of what I was saying. Should have never tried? Are you kidding? This race was and had been effectively a toss-up, and circumstances provided for a small Handel win. That's what happens in toss-ups. Each side has a good chance, and in the end one wins for various reasons. It's not like Ossoff never had a chance ffs.

Again, somehow a small loss in a previously-safe Republican district was a waste and big mistake? How does that even make sense?

If nothing else, it gave Democrats life in a part of Georgia where they'll need to keep close if they ever want to win statewide

Exactly this but apparently it's spinning.

[Holmes]

Virginia, Holmes, I understand you guys have obligations to spin this however you can, but let's face it, your party threw everything but the kitchen sink at this race and didn't gain a single tenth of a percentage point over round 1. You aren't winning this in '18, and you're not winning the 7th or some other seat in GA either. If the   will have a dem majority, it will be because seats flipped elsewhere - the GA  delegation will be unchanged.

You don't really know that, and your entire argument right now is basically "Ossoff lost, and because I think this was a mistake to target, that means I'm right and you're wrong."

All you've done is make statements and act like they validate themselves. You're talking about a seat that was he lost by a few points in each round, not some landslide blowout, Wulfric.

What else could dems seriously do to win this seat? They literally tried everything.

Maybe nothing other than register new voters, keep them engaged and wait? It's still a Republican district deep down and that won't change overnight, even with a President with a -20% approval. But we've seen that there's a continuing shift in this district and come 2018, 2020 and beyond, who knows?

[Holmes]

But it's ok for Sanders to raise and spend an obscene amount of money because........reasons.

[Holmes]

But it's ok for Sanders to raise and spend an obscene amount of money because........reasons.

Well, we've officially grasped the bottom of the barrel arguments here.

Hell, you bring up Hillary in almost every single post you make, regardless of the topic, like you just can't help it. It's almost sad, somyou talking about the "bottom of the barrel" is just sad. But I get it, criticizing a centrist candidate in a right-wing district who raised and spent a lot of money only to lose is bad but it's different when a left-wing candidate raises and spends a lot of money only to lose.

And no, I don't have a disgust for Sanders. But I hope voting Green over NDP worked out for you.

[Holmes]

In hindsight, Dems should have run two candidates (an Ossoff type + a Sanders type) in hopes of producing a D-vs-D runoff in GA-06.  Guaranteed pickup that way.

It would never happen. It's like when Republicans hope for an RvR runoff in California.