Parliamentary Universalism (Motion at Vote)

[Purple State]

     Wait, does that say that the Constitution can be amended by a simple majority in both houses?

It's universalism, so it would be a majority of all Atlasians in agreement. It gave me pause as well, but this is the proposal thus far. It is easier to pass it and edit it after.

[Purple State]

     Wait, does that say that the Constitution can be amended by a simple majority in both houses?

It's universalism, so it would be a majority of all Atlasians in agreement. It gave me pause as well, but this is the proposal thus far. It is easier to pass it and edit it after.

     Even if it is a majority of all Atlasians, I still don't like it. That's how you end up with hundreds of amendments cheapening the process like in California or Texas.

I can understand that argument IRL, but here on the forum I think our population is small and sane enough that we'd not do such things. (and even if we did we'd be able to fix it no problem)  This also allows reforms to be made easier, requiring fewer active members to counteract "no-change zombies" (which I don't intend to refer to people who oppose significant change to the government structures here but instead the occasional voter who happens to wander around and takes the default option on every issue, which is usually "no").

Each side makes a strong point (grateful I don't get a vote ). I will bring the matter to a vote after this and allow the delegates to decide between the two.

[Purple State]

Final Judiciary Vote Count
Aye = 9
Nay = 1

Final Amendments Vote Count
Aye = 4
Nay = 1
Abstain = 5

Quorum: Achieved
Results: Judiciary passes, Amendments fails


If you put up separate versions with majority and two-thirds for the Amendments article, I will be happy to bring up a vote between the two and NOTA to get it passed.

[Purple State]

Bump. Need your thoughts guys.

[Purple State]

Sorry about the delay. I like your idea for preferential voting, otherwise I would have to hold two votes to weed out one option first and then pick between the remaining two.

I bring the following motion for a vote. There are three options in this vote. Please indicate your first and second preference by indicating with a 1 and 2. Voting shall last for 48 hours at the discretion of the presiding officer.

Option 1

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[Purple State]

I gave it four days and not even the universalists bothered to vote. This motion lacks any sort of quorum and thus fails.

[Purple State]

Premature, as Purple State hasn't commented, but the sentiment is appreciated

At this point I am half ready to just call a motion to end the Convention. We are consistently missing a quorum and it appears that popular sentiment plans on rejecting any Constitution this Convention creates.

[Purple State]

Though this proposal, or basically any other proposal which isn't the status-quo has no chance.

Oh, why, I hadn't noticed the tone of debate for the past two months

I just seek to provide Atlasians with a valid alternative to the status quo.  I know they're going to vote it down, but it's wrong to go down without a fight, or at least an informed debate on the subject.

I'm all for it, obviously. But I doubt this convention will even go to its term, as it's becoming increasingly likely (and not an entirely bad idea, seeing how little delegates care and how everybody just wants bad ol' status-quo to win).

Yeah, I agree.

Still, bashing my head against a break wall is hours of fun.  Purple State should be more impartial here and open this to a vote.

I am fine being impartial, but if this vote won't even reach a quorum I don't want to waste your time and energy with writing up something your peers will neither pass, nor reject.

Perhaps we should close down the current proposals (but keep them on record just in case) and find ways to amend the current Constitution to better serve Atlasia. In the process we could consolidate all current amendment in order to clean the Constitution up, etc.

If you insist, I will be happy to open a vote up and include all those that have voiced their votes already.

[Purple State]

I bring the following to a vote of the delegates. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. This vote shall last for 48 hours:

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I will be counting the votes already registered by Dan Adamas, BK, Hash and PiT.

[Purple State]

I won't be available to close the booth tonight. However, at exactly 12:24am EST on June 27, 2009, this vote will conclude, with a 24 hour extension if a quorum is not reached.

[Purple State]

I doubt we've reached a quorum; in any case, I'm starting to wonder whether this Convention could even reach a quorum to close itself

A PM blitz would take care of that. But I hardly want to whip up delegates for every damn motion vote.