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« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2009, 08:51:41 AM »

Ok here's a new list, following the trend of making Candidates who didn't have a chance in hell winning the Presidency,and  actually somehow win the Presidency.

Hoover defeats Roosevelt TL

31. Herbert Hoover (R-CA): March 4th 1929-March 15th 1933*
32. Charles Curtis (R-KA): March 15th 1933-Febuary 8th 1936*
33. Henry L. Stimson (R-NY): February 8th 1936-March 4th 1937

34. Albert C. Ritchie (D-MD): March 4th 1937-Feburary 24th 1944*
36. James M. Curley (D-MA): February 24th 1944-January 20th 1953

37. Raymond E. Baldwin(R-CT): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
38. Frank J. Lausche (D-OH): January 20th 1961-April 21st 1963*
39. George B. Timmerman Jr. (D-SC): April 21st 1963-January 20th 1969

40. Daniel J. Evans (R-WA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
41. J. Terry Sanford (D-NC): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
42. Henry J. Hyde (R-IL): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
43. Christopher S. “Kit” Bond (R-MO): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

44. Harold L. Washington (D-IL): January 20th 1993-November 25th 1997***
45. Larry Agran (D-CA): November 25th 1997-January 20th 2001

46. Dirk A. Kempthorne (R-ID): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
47. Kathleen Sebelius (D-KA): January 20th 2009-???***

Notes.

31. Assassinated by Giusepeppe Zangara during a visit to Chicago, Illinois.
32. Died in office of a massive heart attack.
34. Died in office from a cerebral hemorrhage.
38. Assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas, Texas.
44. First African American President, died in office due to congestive heart failure
47. First Female President.
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« Reply #51 on: August 21, 2009, 05:32:10 PM »

Populists Ascendant.


24. James Weaver (P-IA): March 4th 1893-March 4th 1901
25. James S. “Big Jim” Hogg (D-TX): March 4th 1901-March 3rd 1906*
26. David B. Hill (D-NY): March 3rd 1906-March 4th 1909

27. Joseph B. Foraker (R-OH): March 4th 1909-March 4th 1913
28. Eugene V. Debs (P-IN): March 4th 1913-March 4th 1921
29. Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN): March 4th 1921-June 1st 1925*
30. Carter Glass (D-VA): June 1st 1925-March 4th 1929
31. Alfred E. Smith Jr. (D-NY): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933

32. Irvine L. Lenroot (P-WI): March 4th 1933-January 20th 1941
33. Hugh S. Johnson (P-KA): January 20th 1941-April 15th 1942*
34. Alben W. Barkley (P-KY): April 15th 1942-January 20th 1949

35. Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (D-MA): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1953
36. Henry A. Wallace (P-IA): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
37. Barry M. Goldwater (D-AZ): January 20th 1961-December 30th 1963*
38. Norris H. Cotton (D-NH): December 20th 1963-January 20th 1969

39. Eugene J. “Gene” McCarthy (P-MN): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1973
40. Wilbur D. Mills (D-AK): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1981
41. Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson (D-WA): January 20th 1981-September 1st 1983*
42. Dolph Briscoe Jr. (D-TX): September 1st 1983-January 20th 1985

43. Fred R. Harris (P-OK): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1993
44. Kent Conrad (D-ND) January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997
45. Alfred C. “Al” Sharpton Jr. (P-NY) January 20th 1997-October 18th 2001***
46. Joseph R. “Bob” Kerrey (P-NE): October 18th 2001-January 20th 2009

47. Katherine Harris (D-FL): January 20th 2009-???***

Notes.

25. Died in Office
29. Died in Office due to a massive heart attack.
31. First Roman Catholic President
33. Died in Office.
36. Assassinated by Cuban Nationalist Fidel Castro, in Havana.
37. Died in Office due to an aortic aneurism.
45. First African American President, Assassinated in an Anthrax Bio-Terror attack in NYC.
47. First Female President.
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« Reply #52 on: August 22, 2009, 10:28:20 PM »

Ok, Im running out of ideas for lists, but I stumbled upon one researching about Henry Ford. This is based on the pod that Ford wins the 1918 Michigan Senatorial Race against Newberry. He is chosen as the comprimise candidate during the 1924 US Presidential election. He wins a narrow victory, largely due to LaFollete's split of the GOP vote.

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30. John Calvin Coolidge Jr. (R-MA): August 2nd 1923-March 4th 1925
31. Henry Ford (D-MI): March 4th 1925-March 4th 1933
32. William F. Lemke (R-ND): March 4th 1933-March 4th 1941
33. William F. “Frank” Knox (R-IL): March 4th 1941-April 28th 1944*
34. Henry Styles Bridges (R-NH): April 28th 1944-January 20th 1953

35. Charles W. Sawyer (D-OH): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
36. James P. Mitchell (R-NJ): January 20th 1961-October 19th 1963*
37. William F. Knowland (R-CA): October 19th 1963-January 20th 1969

38. Henry “Hank” Ford II (D-MI): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
39. Charles M. “Mac” Mathias Jr. (R-MD): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
40. Ernest F. “Fritz” Hollings (D-SC): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Edward I. “Ed” Koch (D-NY): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

42. Pierre S. “Pete” du Pont IV (R-DE): January 20th -1993-January 20th 2001
43. Zell B. Miller (D-GA): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
44. Francis “Hill” Harper (R-IA): January 20th 2009-???***

Notes

33. Died in office due to a massive heart attack.
36. Died in office due to congestive hear failure.
44. First African American President.
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« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2009, 09:51:55 AM »

Ok, Im running out of ideas for lists, but I stumbled upon one researching about Henry Ford. This is based on the pod that Ford wins the 1918 Michigan Senatorial Race against Newberry. He is chosen as the comprimise candidate during the 1924 US Presidential election. He wins a narrow victory, largely due to LaFollete's split of the GOP vote.

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30. John Calvin Coolidge Jr. (R-MA): August 2nd 1923-March 4th 1925
31. Henry Ford (D-MI): March 4th 1925-March 4th 1933
32. William F. Lemke (R-ND): March 4th 1933-March 4th 1941
33. William F. “Frank” Knox (R-IL): March 4th 1941-April 28th 1944*
34. Henry Styles Bridges (R-NH): April 28th 1944-January 20th 1953

35. Charles W. Sawyer (D-OH): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
36. James P. Mitchell (R-NJ): January 20th 1961-October 19th 1963*
37. William F. Knowland (R-CA): October 19th 1963-January 20th 1969

38. Henry “Hank” Ford II (D-MI): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
39. Charles M. “Mac” Mathias Jr. (R-MD): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
40. Ernest F. “Fritz” Hollings (D-SC): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Edward I. “Ed” Koch (D-NY): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

42. Pierre S. “Pete” du Pont IV (R-DE): January 20th -1993-January 20th 2001
43. Zell B. Miller (D-GA): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
44. Francis “Hill” Harper (R-IA): January 20th 2009-???***

Notes

33. Died in office due to a massive heart attack.
36. Died in office due to congestive hear failure.
44. First African American President.



Interesting... I didn't know Ford was a Democrat.


Lol, Look it up folks...If Newberry was the GOP Senator of Michigan from 1919 to I think 1925, Ford had to have been a Democrat to run against, I actually think that him and Wilson were actually pretty good friends(When you think about how much of a viruent Racist both of them were not to suprising lol.)

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« Reply #54 on: August 24, 2009, 10:44:54 AM »

Here is list based on a Proto/Borderline ASB Timeline I wrote on Alternate History Discussion Board a while back. Ill post the link if anyone wants to read it... http://alternatehistory.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=91728&highlight=Blanche+Bruce

His Accidency...A Negro Timeline

20. James A. Garfield (R-OH): March 4th_September 19th 1881*
21. Chester A. Arthur (R-NY): September 19th-November 18th 1881*
22. Blanche K. Bruce (R-MI): November 18th 1881-March 4th 1885***

23. Grover Cleveland (D-NY): March 4th 1885-March 4th 1893
24. Walter Q. Gresham (R-IN): March 1893-May 28th 1895*
25. Marcus A. Hanana (R-OH): May 28th 1895-Feburary 15th 1904*
26. William O’C Bradley (R-KY): February 15th 1904-March 4th 1913

27. Morris Hillquit (S-NY): March 4th 1913-March 4th 1921
28. Leonard Wood (R-NH): March 4th 1921-August 7th 1927*
29. Irvine L. Lenroot (R-WI): August 7th 1927-March 4th 1933

30. Floyd B. Olson (S-MN): March 4th 1933-August 22nd 1936*
31. Norman M. Thomas (S-NY): August 22nd 1936-January 20th 1949***

32. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI): January 20th 1949-April 18th 1951
33. B. Caroll Reece (R-TN): April 18th 1951-January 20th 1953

34. Wayne L. Morse (S-OR): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
35. Thomas LeRoy Collins (R-FL): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1969
36. Roman Hruska (R-NE): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1973

37. Adam Clayton Powell Jr. (S-NY): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1981***
38. Edward “Ed” Clark (R-CA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
39. Jane Fonda (S-CA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993***
40. William F. Buckley Jr. (R-GA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
41. Dennis J. Kucinich (S-OH): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
42. Robert “Bob” Menendez (S-NJ): January 20th 2009-???***


Notes.

20. Assassinated by Charles J. Guiteau as per OTL
21. Died in office due to a massive heart attack, due to complications of his Bright’s disease.
22. President Pro Tempore of the Sentate at the time of Arthur’s death, and thus being next inline to the Presidency, became the nation’s 1st African American President.
24. Died in Office
25. Died in Office due to typhoid fever.
28. Died in Office due to complications of Brain Tumor removal surgery.
30. Died in office due to stomach cancer.
31. First President to Break the Two-Term Washington Tradition.
37. First Elected African American President
39. First Female President
42. First Hispanic American President.
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« Reply #55 on: August 28, 2009, 02:32:57 PM »

New list based on the continuing string of having Landslide loosers win their repsective election...Adlai in '56!

Let the Eggheads Roll!!!

34. Dwight D. “Ike” Eisenhower (R-NY): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1957
35. Adlai E. Stevenson II (D-IL): January 20th 1957-July 14th 1965*
36. Thomas LeRoy Collins (D-FL): July 14th 1963-January 20th 1965

37. Everett M. Dirksen (R-IL): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969
38. Cecil H. Underwood (R-WV): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977

39. Robert F. “Bobby” Kennedy (D-MA): January 20th 1977-May 13th 1981*
40. Adlai E. Stevenson III (D-IL): May 13th 1981-January 20th 1989

41. Alexander M. Haig (R-PA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993
42. Daniel R. “Bob” Graham (D-FL): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997
43. Michael S. “Steve” Forbes Jr. (R-NY): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001
44. Johnnie L. Cochran Jr. (D-CA): January 20th 2001-March 29th 2005***
45. Joseph R. “Joe” Biden (D-DE): March 29th 2005-January 20th 2009

46. Gale Ann. Norton (R-KA): January 20th 2009-???***

Notes.

35. Died in office due to a massive heart attack.
39. Assassinated by Mehmet Ali Ağca in St. Peter’s Square in Rome during a visit with the Pope.
44. First African American President, died in office due to a brain tumor
46. First Female President
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« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2009, 04:24:42 PM »

Give 'em Hell Henry

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY): March 4th 1933-April 12th 1945*
33. Henry A. Wallace (D-IA): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1949

34. John W. Bricker (R-OH): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1957
35. Estes Kefauver (D-TN): January 20th 1957-August 10th 1963*
36. James Roosevelt (D-CA): August 10th 1963-January 20th 1969

37. Winthrop A. Rockefeller (R-AK): January 20th 1969-Febuary 22nd 1973*
38. James M. “Jimmy” Stewart (R-CA): February 22nd 1973-January 20th 1981

39. Daniel P. “Pat” Moynihan (D-NY): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1985
41. James R. “Big Jim” Thompson (R-IL): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1993
42.  Robert P. Casey (D-PA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997**
43.  Jesse L. Jackson (D-IL): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001***

44.  Charles T. “Chuck” Hagel (R-NE): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
45.  Nancy P. Hollister (R-OH): January 20th 2009-???***


Notes.

32. Died in Office due to a massive cerebral hemorrhage as per OTL.
35. Died in Office due to a massive heart attack.
37. Died in Office due to pancreatic cancer.
42. Due to worsening health conditions, President Casey declined to seek a Second Term.
43. First African American President.
45. First Female President.
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« Reply #57 on: September 08, 2009, 11:52:25 PM »

Tricky Dick pulls a Fast One

34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-NY): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
35. Richard M. Nixon (R-CA): January 20th 1961-April 22nd 1963*
36. Henry C. Lodge Jr. (R-MA): April 22nd 1963-January 20th 1965

37. Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson (D-WA): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1973
38. Raymond P. Shafer (R-PA): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1981
39. Jesse M. Unruh (D-CA): January 20th 1981-August 4th 1987*
40. Jim C. Wright Jr. (D-TX): August 4th 1987-June 6th 1990**
41. Paul M. Simon (D-IL): June 6th 1990-January 20th 1993

42. Alfonso M. D’Amato (R-NY): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Harold E. Ford Sr. (D-TN): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009***
44. Robert C. “Bob” Smith (R-NH): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

35. Assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas, TX.
39. Died in Office due to complications of Pancreatic Cancer.
40. First to Resign the Presidency, due to corruption charges.
43. First African American President.
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« Reply #58 on: September 13, 2009, 10:32:10 AM »

The Gipper's Gone: Reagan doesn't enter politics(things butterfly from that and his support still of moderate new dealesque stances)

President List

36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) 1963-1969
37. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) 1969-1973*
38. Claude R. Kirk, Jr. (R-FL) 1973-1977
39. Frank Church (D-ID) 1977-1981
40. Howard Baker (R-TN) 1981*
41. William F. Buckley, Jr. (R-NY) 1981-1985*
42. John Glenn (D-OH) 1985-1993
43. Chuck Robb (D-VA) 1993-1997*
44. William Weld (R-MA) 1997-2001*
45. Clint Eastwood (D-CA) 2001-2009*
46. Michael Bloomberg (R-NY) 2009-Current*

*Arthur Bremer assassinates Rockefeller on his trip to Canada.

*Howard Baker is another President killed by "Tecumseh's Curse".

*The controversial President Buckley, Jr. would bring about a late and short "Conservative Revolution" in the GOP. This was short lived after many conservatives had begun to move to the Democratic Party. Buckley's term would be marred with an gridlocked Congress between the more moderate Congress and the Conservative President Buckley. Buckley would loose reelection in 1984.

*The continuation of "The Last Coup" for the Democratic Party, Robb would be pulled down after a major recession in 1994 spread and hurt the economy and Robb's approval ratings. Robb lost to surprisingly strong GOP William Weld.

*Weld's attempts to push through grandiose social works and economic packages eroded his popularity, allowing Democrats to take back control in Congress in 1998, effectively gridlocking Congress once again.

*Eastwood's victory over Weld was no suprise but it was closer than anyone expected. Still, Eastwood's election ended the "Last Coup" in the Democratic Party, effectively molding the Democrats into the center right party in US politics. Eastwood's staunch libertarianism would hurt him after strong support for large scale"economic freedom" brought the economy in a slump in 2007 and destroyed the Democrats chances in 2008 with the eventual economic meltdown of 2008.

*Governor Bloomberg's victory was easily seen over McCain in 2008. Bloomberg's term is just starting but has become the heir to the "Rockefeller Republicanism" and also the new "Bloombergnomics" with his quick thinking in 2009 with fighting the economic meltdown.

Vice President List

38. Robert Kennedy (D-NY) 1965-1969*
39. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) 1969-1973*
40. Claude R. Kirk, Jr. (R-FL) 1973*
41. John Ashbrook (R-OH) 1974-1977*
42. Birch Bayh (D-IN) 1977-1981
43. William F. Buckley, Jr. (R-NY) 1981*
44. Robert Dole (R-KS) 1982-1985
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45. Chuck Robb (D-VA) 1985-1993*
46. Clint Eastwood (D-CA) 1993-1997*
47. Harold Ford, Sr. (R-TN) 1997-2001*
48. John McCain (D-FL) 2001-2009
49. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) 2009-Current*

*Kennedy became Vice President after being put on the ticket and the subsequent victory of the Johnson/Kennedy ticket over the Rockefeller/Hruska ticket in 1964.

*The suprise choice for Rockefeller in 1968, Goldwater would opt out of the Vice Presidency in 1972, sighting "a growing political gap" that interfered with both President Rockefeller and Vice President Goldwater.

*Supporter of the "Rockefeller '68" campaign and cabinet member, Claude R. Kirk, Jr. would be chosen to replace Goldwater as Rockefeller's choice as vice president for the 1972 Presidential Election. Kirk, Jr. would quickly ascend to the presidency after the assassination of President Rockefeller.

*Appointed by President Kirk Jr. to fill out the remainder of the Vice Presidency in 1974.

*The ever controversial and charismatic William F. Buckley, Jr., the leader of the "New Conservatives" movement in the GOP. Taking up strong support for Goldwater and gaining fame for his "Bring back America" speech supporting Goldwater. After a number of what was called "stumbled into wins" in political office, conservatives would push the moderate Tennessee Howard Baker to put Buckley, Jr. on the ticket, which he did intending to only hold him on to one term. That was changed after "Tecumseh's Curse" struck and Baker was assassinated and Buckley, Jr. ascended to the Presidency.

*Dole was finally pushed through Congress by Buckley and others as the Vice Presidential candidate.

*The Governor of Virginia was chosen as Glenn's VEEP to complement him in age and charisma, this is usually seen as a major part of the "Last Coup" in the Democratic Party.

*The continual of the "Last Coup", Governor Eastwood brought huge support from conservatives and the Robb/Eastwood ticket would seal support to the Democratic Party from conservatives.

*Ford, Sr. would become the suprise pick for Weld's runningmate and the first African American Vice President in US history.

*Hatch became Vice President upon the victory of Michael Bloomberg in 2008. With that, Hatch became the first Mormon to be Vice President in US history.

Fantastic List Andy, I mean I would really like to see an indepth look at that timeline
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« Reply #59 on: October 18, 2009, 11:11:01 PM »

Hey, I haven't come up with a list in a good minute, so here's a pretty good one that I think ive whipped up...

Poor George...

37. Richard M. Nixon (R-NY): January 20th 1969-August 9th 1974***
38. George H.W. Bush (R-TX): August 9th 1974-January 20th 1981

39. Dale L. Bumpers (D-AK): January 20th 1981-October 12th 1984*
40. Alan M. Cranston (D-CA): October 12th 1984-January 20th 1989**

41. Marion G. “Pat” Robertson (R-VA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997
42. Russ D. Feingold (D-WI): January 20th 1997-October 20th 2001*
43. Fred Thompson (R-TN): October 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
44. Rodney A. Slater (D-AK): January 20th 2009-???*

Notes

37. First to resign the office of the Presidency
39. Assassinated by the PIRA in the bombing of Brighton Hill Hotel
40. Declined to seek re-nomination, due to corruption scandal.
42. First Jewish-American President, won via House of Representatives in the Historic 2000 Election (however, the Republican congress elects Thompson as the VP). Died in office due to an Anthrax attack
44. First African American President
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« Reply #60 on: October 21, 2009, 05:58:00 PM »

Here's a piping hot list, fresh off the Press...Based on the POD that Senator Strom Thurmond on the State's Right's ticket succeedes in keeping anyone from clinching the Presidency outright in the electoral College. With some cajoing he was able to pick up enough votes in the House for him to become declared as the winner.

The Land of Thurmond


33. Harry S. Truman (D-MO): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1949
34. J. Strom Thurmond (SR-SC): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1953*
35. Everett M. Dirksen (R-IL): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
36. George A. Smathers (D-FL): January 20th 1961-August 14th 1965**
37. Gerhard M. “Soappy” Williams (D-MI): August 14th 1965-January 20th 1969

38. John S. Cooper (R-KY): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
39. Gregory Peck (R-CA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981

40. Harold E. Hughes (D-IA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Warren B. Rudman (R-NH): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993
42. Kent R. Hance (D-TX): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Jesse Brown (R-VA): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009*
44. Kathleen Kennedy-Perry (D-MD): January 20th 2009-???*

Notes.


34. First Third Party Candidate to win the White House, also first to win in the House of Representatives where neither candidate received the necessary amount of electoral votes to clinch the election.
36. Assassinated by Stokley Carmichael in Jackson, Mississippi.
43. First African American President
44. First Female/Irish-American President
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« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2009, 04:05:57 PM »

Ok, Im not sure how many AH.comer's we have on this board, but one of the most popular timelines this year was an unfinished timeline by Statachios called A World of Laughter, A World of Tears...based on the pod that Walt Disney himself, is given the Republican Nomination in 1952 and the onsoing dystopia that he ends up creating. This my homage to the timeline, as I postulate it would turn out if stat had continued up untill the Present Day...You can read the timeline here: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=113866

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A World of Laughter, A World of Tears

33. Harry S. Truman (D-MO): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1953
34. Walter E. “Walt” Disney (R-CA): January 20th 1953-December 15th 1959*
35. Everett M. Dirksen (R-IL): December 15th 1959-January 20th 1961

36. Herman E. Talmadge (D-GA): January 20th 1961-November 22nd 1963*
37. Richard J. Daley (D-IL): November 22nd 1963-January 20th 1969**

38. George L. Rockwell (R-VA): January 20th 1969-August 25th 1972*
39. George S. Romney (R-MI): August 25th 1972-January 20th 1977**

40. Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson (D-WA): January 20th 1977-September 1st 1983*
41. Anita J. Bryant (D-FL): September 1st 1983-January 20th 1989**

42. John C. “Jack” Danforth (R-MO): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997
43. Thomas H. “Tom” Kean (R-NJ): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001

44. Richard M. Daley (D-IL): January 20th 2001-July 16th 2005*
45. James E. Folsom Jr. (D-GA): July 16th 2005-January 20th 2009

46. Clarence Thomas (R-MO): January 20th 2009-???**

Notes

34. Died in office due to complications of Lung Cancer.
36. Assassinated by a group of Nation of Islam terrorists in New York City.
37. First Irish-American President
38. Assassinated by John Patler in Arlington, Virginia
39. First Mormon President
40. Died in office due to an aortic aneurysm.
41. First Female President
44. Assassinated in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania via Islamic Fundamentalist car bomb Attack.
46. First African-American President.
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« Reply #62 on: November 05, 2009, 10:02:08 AM »

I was inspired by Masked Pickle to try to come up with an Alternate Presidential list that is incrediablly simmilar to the characters presented in The West Wing Universe...I think it's actually pretty possible if you shift someone names around to carve out a simmiliar timeline lol

The Real West Wing

36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): November 22nd 1963-January 20th 1969*
37. Richard M. Nixon (R-NY): January 20th 1969-December 25th 1973*
38. Carl B. Albert (D-OK): December 25th 1973-January 20th 1975*
39. Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA): January 20th 1975-January 20th 1979*

40. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA): January 20th 1979-January 20th 1987*
41. Gary Hart (D-CO): January 20th 1987-January 20th 1991*
42. William P. “Phillip” Gramm (R-TX): January 20th 1991-January 20th 1999*
43. John A. Durkin (D-NH): January 20th 1999-May 8th 2003**
Acting POTUS. James M. “Jim” Talent (R-MO): May 8th-May 10th 2003****
43. John A. Durkin (D-NH): May 10th 2003-January 20th 2007*
44. Richard J. “Rick” Noriega (D-TX): January 20th 2007-???***


Notes

36. Presidency went essentially the same as IOTL, except that the 25th Amendment is never passed in the wake of JFK’s assassination.

37. Presidency went essentially the same as IOTL, except that stronger pressure from the Democratic leadership due to an earlier Tape release. Nixon without the 25th Amendment can not appoint another Vice President, after the resignation of Vice President Spiro Agnew on October 10th 1973 due to corruption charges. Virtually powerless, in the wake of US Congress pushing for articles of Impeachment…Dick Nixon resigned the office of the Presidency on Christmas Day, 1973.

38. With the position of Vice President vacant, Speaker of the House Carl Albert under The Presidential Succession Act of 1947 was sworn in as the nation’s 38th President. In his first act as President, The 65 year old, 5’4 native of McAlester, Oklahoma established that a special election were to be held on the first Tuesday of November, 1974(Nov 5th) as a return to normalcy(Also to legitimize Democratic claims to the White House, especially after the landslide election loss in 1972). For the most part the “Little Giant from Little Dixie” was a caretaker President whom kept most of what remained of Nixon’s cabinet intact during the course of the special election. Although he only served for a little over a year, President Albert is fondly remembered as an honest man who saved the Republic from potential collapse in the wake of the Watergate Scandal.

39. During the short Albert Presidency, many democratic elders finally pushed the 42 year old Massachusetts Senator to make a run for the White House. Many voters’ craved for a piece of nostalgia for a Kennedy Camelot thus Teddy won the nomination in 1974 fairly easily. In the Special election Kennedy beat GOP Sacrificial Lamb candidate Nelson Rockefeller 389 to 149 electoral votes. In his first year in office, Kennedy was able to rankle enough Democratic support to get a single payer (favored by organized labor) Universal Health Care bill through Congress. However, the rest of his term would proved to be a disaster as the nation continued to be strangled by stagflation, high energy prices and familial scandal due to Joan’s alcoholism. By 1978, Teddy held a 35% approval rating yet he emerged the victor in an extremely tough primary race with Populist Governor Cliff Finch of Mississippi.
40. The former Actor and California Governor, Ronald Reagan…the darling of the conservative wing of the GOP since 1964 finally decided in 1977 to throw his hat into the ring against the unpopular incumbent President Kennedy. The Reagan/Schweiker ticket went on to defeat Kennedy/Sanford on a 428 to 110 electoral margin. His swift response to the Iran Hostage Crisis in ’79, the Air Traffic Control strike in ’81 and his assassination attempt during the last year of his first term made him a popular incumbent. However his economic policies weren’t all that popular and as such the national economy still seemed mired in Malaise. Due to lackluster campaigning by Democratic Presidential Nominee, former Vice President Terry Sanford of North Carolina and Reagan’s stark charisma; the 1984 election was one by Ronnie on relatively comfortable 311-to-227 electoral victory. Reagan’s second term would be engulfed with foreign policy matters, with the Nuclear Freeze Amendment, Escalation of the Cold War with the Soviet, and the break of the Iran Contra scandal (Which no evidence came about of Ronnie’s direct involvement). The nation’s 40th President, despite his controversial policies would leave office with a 55% approval rating.

41. Vice President Richard Schweiker, although much more moderate that President Reagan, was able to best all major competition in the 1986 GOP Primaries by running for Reagan’s third term. Many pundits felt he had the Presidency in the bag due to popularity of President Reagan, especially against the little known Dark Horse, Democratic nominee Senator Gary Hart of Colorado.  Yet in August of ’86, the story broke about the Iran Contra scandal and during further investigation information surfaced on how deep the VP was in the scandal. With a decisive issue to fight on the Hart/Young Campaign won the ’86 election on a 286 to 252 margin. On January 20th, Former Kennedy UN Ambassador Andrew Young of Georgia became the first African American Vice President. Most of Hart’s term was concerned on American interests in the Middle East, especially with relations with Saudi Arabia. However, any hope for his reelection would shatter when news broke about Hart extramarital affair with Donna Rice in late ’89. The President would shake off an Impeachment trial by the Republican Congress but never regain his standing with the American People. President Hart would be defeated by GOP nominee Senator Phil Gramm of Texas on a 350 to 189 margin.

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« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2009, 10:02:44 AM »

42. Former Reagan Treasury Secretary and John Tower’s replacement in the Senate…the somewhat “bookish” Phil Gramm coasted into the White House only to find the world torn asunder by Hart’s idealist foreign policy. During his first months in office President Gramm would successfully defeat Saddam Hussein in the Persian Gulf War, which gave the POTUS his stark 90% approval rating. Yet he would most be remembered for his Grammnomics, or supply-side economic policy which seemed to end overburdensome Regulation and free up new market enterprise. In the 1994 General Election, the incumbent Gramm/Thompson ticket faced off against that of Casey/Richards(Gov. Casey of PA narrowly defeated former Vice President Andrew Young in a long Democratic Primary Race). Question’s over Casey’s dwindling health as seen in the long months of campaigning largely lead to Gramm’s 314 to 224 electoral win. The Texan’s second term would become dominate as Conservative Republican’s would manage to get Line-Item Veto, DOMA, and another strong series of Pro-Bussiness Tax cuts.  However, years of Friedmanesque economic policy since the Reagan administration finally sent the economy over the edge. In the midst of the 2000 Campiagn, Savings and Loan Companies failed, Unemployment skyrocketed, and the Dow crashed for several weeks. President Gramm’s belief in Non-Government interference crushed his final approval ratings as he left office with a meager 45%.

43. ITTL, Senator John Anthony Durkin, due to Ronnie’s unpopularity in the 1980 midterm election’s was able to best Warren Rudman for a second term in the senate. Durkin was a reelected again in 1986, as he rode on Gary Hart’s coattails and here made a name for himself as a stark Progressive on Domestic policy yet somewhat of a neoconservative when it came to foreign policy. In 1988, he left the Senate to return to Concord to serve as Governor in his defeat of John Sunnu. Durkin left office in 1997 as an extremely popular Governor, and was convinced by a close friend of his to enter the 1998 Democratic Primaries. The Granite stater was a huge dark horse when compared to frontrunner Senator Robert D. “Bob” Bullock of Texas. Bullock was known for his nonpartisan approach while in the Senate, but during the course of his primaries questions over his former alcoholism and disastrous marriages ended his quest for the nomination. Durkin needed the Lone Star’s state mass of electoral votes picked Bullock at the ’98 Democratic National Convention. The Durkin/Bullock ticket would defeat that of Former Vice President Big Jim Thompson of Illinois in a 303 to 235 electoral win. In office Durkin managed to accomplish; granting amnesty to illegal immigrants from the Americas, appointing the first Hispanic Supreme Court Justice and first female Chief Justice, negotiating a peace settlement between Israel and Palestine, creating millions of new jobs, providing strong support for alternative energy, orchestrating a Social Security reform plan. However his hand in foreign policy matters became less clear when his Adult Child was kidnapped in the state of Oman by Islamic Fundamentalist terrorists. Feeling that he could no longer serve the nation to it’s fullest capacity due to the 25th Amendment(Passed during Teddy’s Presidency ITTL). The Vacancy caused by Vice President Bullock’s death by a heart attack, dropped the White House into the hands of Republican Speaker of the House Jim Talent of Missouri.

APOTUS. Although Talent only served as President for two days, yet while in that time served to the fullest capacity as anyone elected to the White House would. In the House since 1993, the young reliable Conservative swiftly rose through the ranks to Party Leadership as he became Speaker in January of 2001. While in office from May 8th-May 10th 2003, Jim Talent ordered the bombing of terrorist training camps in Oman, as well as a limited and temporary invasion of that nation. He also called the families of several soldiers that died in the invasion. After three days, after his child was found and freed, President Durkin then resumed his powers and duties under the 25th Amendment. Durkin gratefully offered to campaign for Talent if he chose to run again for Congress, but Talent said, half-seriously, that the President would probably not be politically helpful in his Missouri House district. Although the frontrunner for the 2006, he was beaten out narrowly by the more moderate Senator Pete Wilson of California.

43. Upon return to office, the President Durkin began to focus inertest about his reelection bid more about his legacy. After all in 2002, he soundly defeated the uber-conservative Governor John E. “Jeb” Bush of Florida in a 406 to 132 electoral landslide. He announced a bold Interventionist foreign policy measure in Rwanda in response to a massive genocide. He would leave office with a remarkable 65% approval rating despite having installed 140,000 United States peacekeepers to prevent a full blown conflict over oil in Kazakhstan.

44. The First Latino President…Rick Noriega (ALT Career) former Lt. Colonel in the Texas Air National Guard and Persian Gulf War veteran was elected Mayor of Houston in 1996. After serving two terms as Mayor, Noriega set out for Congress and indeed won the 2000 Race to office to in which he would serve three terms. Much like that of an Incumbent President Durkin, Noriega was seen as a Dark Horse in the 2006 Democratic Primary Race against sitting Vice President August W. “Bill” Ritter (Former Colorado Congressman who was nominated to fill the vacant VP spot in June of 2003). Yet in an extremely close race, Noriega prevailed and would go onto battle it out in the General election with Republican Nominee Pete Wilson of California. Although the more experienced Wilson was widely favored during most of the campaign, a nuclear plant meltdown in Southern California almost completely ruined his shot at the Presidency. In a ridiculously close election, Congressman Noriega won the 2006 General Election on a 272-266 electoral vote margin.
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« Reply #64 on: November 13, 2009, 02:48:44 PM »

Here's a really short list I just whipped up...Thought it could be fairly promising for a future timeline.

A Game of Inches

42. William J. “Bill” Clinton (D-AK): January 20th 1993-October 29th 1994*
43. Albert A. “Al” Gore Jr. (D-TN): October 29th 1994-January 20th 2001
44. Douglas Wilder (D-VA): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2005**

45. John R. Kasich (R-OH): January 20th 2005-January 20th 2013
46. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-IL): January 20th 2013-???**

Notes.

42. Assassinated by Duran in the White House via semi-automatic Rifle fire.
44. First African American President
46. First Female President.
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« Reply #65 on: November 16, 2009, 05:38:54 PM »

Ok here's a recap list I recently made for my pal Maverick over on the Alternate history Discussion Board... You can read it here: http://alternatehistory.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=64050&highlight=Joseph+Patrick+Kennedy . It's based on the POD on What if Joe Jr. did survive WWII


Kings of Camelot: POTUS List

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY): March 4th 1933-April 12th 1945*
33. Harry S. Truman (D-MO): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1953

34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-NY): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
35. Richard M. “Dick” Nixon (R-CA): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965
APOTUS: Henry C. Lodge Jr. (R-MA): November 18th-January 18th 1964***

36. Joseph P. “Joe” Kennedy Jr. (D-MA): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1973**
37. John F. “Jack” Kennedy (D-MA): January 20th 1973-April 11th 1974*
38. George S. McGovern (D-SD): April 11th 1974-January 20th 1977

39. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1985
40. Lloyd M. Bentsen (D-TX): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1993
41. John Glenn (D-OH): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997

42. Richard G. “Dick” Lugar (R-IN): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2005
43. Joseph P. “Joe” Kennedy III (D-MA): January 20th 2005-January 20th 2009**
44. Elizabeth H. “Liddy” Dole (R-KA): January 20th 2009-???**

Notes

32. Died in Office as IOTL
APOTUS: Served as Acting President, while Nixon recovered from his wounds from his Attempted Assassination.
36. First Roman Catholic Irish-American President
37. Died in Office due to complications of Addison’s disease
43. First Son of a President to be elected to the White House since John Quincy Adams
44. First Female President.

Kings of Camelot: VEEP List

33. Henry A. Wallace (D-IA): January 20th 1941-January 20th 1945
34. Harry S. Truman (D-MO): January 20th-April 12th 1945

Vacant: April 12th 1945-January 20th 1949
35. Alben W. Barkley (D-KY): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1953
36. Richard M. “Dick” Nixon (R-CA): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
37. Henry C. Lodge Jr. (R-MA): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965

38. J. William Fullbright (D-AK): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1973
39. George S. McGovern (D-SD): January 20th 1973-April 11th 1974

Vacant: April 12th-May 30th 1974.
40. James E. “Jimmy” Carter (D-GA): April 11th 1974-January 20th 1977
41. George H.W. Bush (R-TX): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1985
42. John Glenn (D-OH): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1993
43. Larry Agran (D-CA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997

44. John E. “Jeb” Bush (R-FL): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2005
45. James E. “Jim” Clyburn (D-SC): January 20th 2005-January 20th 2009**
46. Anthony C. “The Godfather” Zinni (R-PA): January 20th 2009-???

Notes

45. First African American Vice President

Kings of Camelot: Defeated Tickets

1944: Thomas Dewey (R-NY)/John Bricker (R-OH)
1948: Thomas Dewey (R-NY)/Earl Warren (R-CA)
1952: Adlai E. Stevenson II (D-IL)/John Sparkman (D-AL)
1956: Adlai E. Stevenson II (D-IL)/Joseph P. “Joe” Kennedy Jr. (D-MA)
1960: Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN)/Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)
1964: Barry M. Goldwater (R-AZ)/William W. Scranton (R-PA)
1968: Nelson A. Rockefeller (R-NY)/Cecil H. Underwood (R-WV) ; George Wallace (I-AL)/Herman E. Talmadge (I-GA)
1972: William P. Scranton (R-PA)/Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA) ; George Wallace (IA-AL)/Roman Hruska (IA-NE)
1976: George S. McGovern (D-SD)/James E. “Jimmy” Carter (D-GA)
1980: Robert F. “Bobby” Kennedy (D-MA)/Lloyd M. Bentsen (D-TX)
1984: George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Jack F. Kemp (R-NY)
1988: Robert J. “Bob” Dole (R-KA)/Marion G. “Pat” Robertson (R-VA)
1992: Marion G. “Pat” Robertson (R-VA)/George Deukmejian (R-CA)
1996: John Glenn (D-OH)/Larry Agran (D-CA)
2000: Joseph P. Kennedy III (D-MA)/Daniel R. “Bob” Grahan (D-FL)
2004: John E. “Jeb” Bush (R-FL)/George E. Pataki (R-NY)
2008: Joseph P. Kennedy III (D-MA)/James E. “Jim” Clyburn (D-SC)

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« Reply #66 on: November 19, 2009, 01:11:04 PM »

The Last Progressive

33. Harry S. Truman (D-MO): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1953
34. Earl Warren (R-CA): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
35. Robert C. Byrd (D-WV): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965
36. George W. Romney (R-MI): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1973**
37. Abraham A. Ribicoff (D-CT): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1981**
38. Edward W. Brooke III (R-MA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989**
39. John B. Anderson (R-IL): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

40. Paul E. Tsongas (D-MA): January 20th 1993-January 18th 1995*
41. Joan Finney (D-KA): January 18th 1995-January 20th 2001**

42. Henry G. Cisneros (R-TX): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2005**
43. Johnny R. “John” Edwards (D-NC): January 20th 2005-August 1st 2010***
44. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (D-NY): August 1st 2010-January 20th 2013***

45. Matthew K. L. Fong (R-CA): January 20th 2013-???**

Notes.

36. First Mormon President
37. First Jewish American President
38. First African American President
40. First Greek-American President whom died in office due to complications non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.
41. First Female/Roman Catholic President
42. First Mexican American President
43. First to resign the Presidency, due to personal scandals
44. First Irish American President
45. First Chinese American President
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« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2009, 08:14:17 PM »

The Compromise

34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-NY): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
35. Robert S. Kerr (D-OK): January 20th 1961-October 30th 1962*
36. Robert F. Wagner Jr. (D-NY): October 30th 1962-January 20th 1969

37. James A. “Jim” Rhodes (R-OH): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1973
38. Phillip A. Hart (D-MI): January 20th 1973-December 26th 1976*
39. Wilbur D. Mills (D-AK): December 26th 1976-January 20th 1981

40. Meldrim Thomson Jr. (R-NH): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. John Glenn (D-OH): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993
42. C. Christopher Cox (R-CA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Gary A. Franks (R-CT): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2005**

44. Thomas C. “Chet” Edwards (D-TX): January 20th 2005-January 20th 2013
45. Deirdre R. “Dede” Scozzafava (R-NY): January 20th 2013-???**

Notes:

35. TTL’s POD is that, Hubert H. Humphrey is able to win the West Virginia primary in 1960, thus bringing up question’s about Jack’s elect-ability due to his Catholicism. Kennedy and Humphrey split the remaining contests and is even more divided once, LBJ and Adlai throw their names for the nomination at the Democratic National Convention in Los Angeles. After severall rounds of balloting, a compromise candidate is chosen in the 63 year old Senator Robert Kerr of Oklahoma. Due to his strong legislative ties, Kerr is able to appeal to both Southern and Western Delegates. He picked Mayor Robert F. Wagner Jr. to appeal to Catholic voters in the Northeast. His folksy campaign style and unmatched oratory is able to best Vice President Nixon in the Debates and in the election as Kerr won on a 317-220 Electoral margin. His main focus upon getting into office was to expand Social Welfare and Public Works programs. However, Khrushchev and Fidel Castro would force his hands to deal with the Cuban Missile Crisis in October of 1962. Although cooler heads would prevail in the conflict, the stress of almost bringing the world to the brink of nuclear holocaust would take its toll on the 66 year old President. Robert S. Kerr was found dead in the oval office on Halloween 1962, of a massive heart attack.

36. The son of the Progressive Four-Term Democratic Senator Robert F. Wagner Sr. of New York, The 52 year old former Mayor had big shoes to fill upon the death of the former “Uncrowned King of the Senate) in President Kerr. In months following Kerr’s death President Wagner made his number one Domestic Policy issue passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1963. The CRA would be narrowly passed in the fall of 1963, when frontrunner to the 1964 GOP nomination Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona was assassinated in Chicago,Illinois in November of 1963. Many within the Democratic Party wondered if the man who lost to Senator Javits in the 1954 Senate Race would be able to be electable enough to win a second term in his own right. At the Convention, after a stirring tribute given by Senate Majority Leader Lyndon B. Johnson for the late President Kerr, Wagner chose Senator Ralph Yarbrough of Texas as his running mate. Senator Herman Talmadge of George furious over the Wagner administration support for Civil Rights would run on a States Rights ticket. The General Election would be a clash of the New York Titans, as with Goldwater’s death Rocky easily wrapped up the nomination, with conservative Senator Roman Hruska of Kansas as his running mate. In an incredibly narrow election, President Wagner won a Second term on a 285-208-45 margin. Wagnner’s second term would be dominated by increasing Urban Riots, expansion of Kerr’s Social Welfare Programs and a push to lands an American on the moon by 1970. Ineligible to run again in ’68 due to the 22nd Amendment, Vice President Yarbrough won the ’68 nomination with Senator Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson as his running mate.

37. Upon Barry Goldwater’s assassination in 1963, the conservative wing of the GOP waited for the leadership position to be filled that had a similar bombastic personality. That Leader would be Governor Jim Rhodes of Ohio. The sixth-year Governor was the perfect Candidate to appeal to Working Class Whites, who had a fear of the encroaching Black insurgency in the inner cities and Wagner administration out of control domestic spending. Rhodes along with running mate, Congressman George H.W. Bush of Texas would win the ’68 election in 405 to 133 Electoral Vote victory. Upon entering office as the nation’s 37th President, Jim instantly escalated the failing Vietnam Conflict (Kerr and Wagner continued Ike’s policy of sending Military Advisors) and attempts to invade the North. His crackdown on the antiwar movement, and fights for large scale cuts to Domestic Spending with the Democratic Congress would ultimately lead to his downfall. The Incumbent President lost the 1972 election against the ticket of Senator Phillip A. Hart of Michigan and House Committee Chairman on Ways and Means Wilbur Mills of Arkansas in a 302 to 236 defeat.

38. The “Conscience of the Senate” whose appeal to both Working Class Whites and the Baby Boomers of the New Left is what was needed to best the unpopular incumbent President. President Hart was able to negotiate, the complete withdrawal from American forces by summer of 1974 and watched the first moon landing on the nation’s bicentennial 07/01/1976. He also is able to pass the Full Employment Act as well as the Negative Income Tax. Due to his enormous popularity, despite signs of waning health, the Hart/Mills ticket is re-nominated in 1976. The incumbents won a landslide victory against former Vice President George H.W. Bush of Texas and running mate former Governor Claude R. Kirk of Florida with a 406 to 132 vote win. However the fatigue of running a national campaign sapped all of his remaining strength, and led to his loss with his battle against his undisclosed cancer the day after Christmas 1976.

39. 65 years old upon ascending office as the nation’s 38th President…Willbur Mills of Arkansas came into the White House in a worse situation, when they won in 1972. In the months following President Hart’s death, President Mills secured getting Automatic Cost of Living adjustment in Social Security Reform and a Single Payer Universal Health Care program passed in 1977. Due to the 25th Amendment passed in wake of President Kerr’s death in the ‘60’s, Mills was able to choose the young Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts (Took JFK’s seat upon his death of Congestive Heart Failure on 06/06/1968). On Foreign Policy, Mills followed the Wagner/Hart policy of Détente with the Soviet Union and negotiated a landmark peace agreement between Israel and Egypt. However, the Iran Hostage Crisis, rapid stagflation due to years of Domestic spending, and relapse into his alcoholism…President Mills declined to seek his party nomination for his own term in 1980. Vice President Kennedy, dealing with his own familial issues was sorely defeated by the GOP Presidential Nominee…Archconservative Governor Meldrim Thomson of New Hampshire and Senator William Brock of Tennessee on a 446 to 92 vote margin.

40. The 1980 Election was key to the Thomson Revolution as it resurrected America’s brief flirtation with the right with the Rhodes Presidency and effectively shifted the nation to Center-Left for the following 25 years. Meldrim Thomson after receiving endorsements from his fellow conservatives such as former Governor Ronald Reagan (Paralyzed from the waist down due to the assassination attempt on his life on the stump for President Rhodes while on the campaign trail). President Thomson would push forward a Supply Side Economic plan to combat the spiraling economy in the early 80’s, and a being a huge supporter of shrinking the federal government successfully killed the IRS(State agencies would do the collecting). His Popularity insured him a landslide victory against Congressman Mo Udall of Arizona in a 511-27 electoral vote victory. His second term would be consumed with an rapid escalation of the Cold-war, Refusal to dump any dollars into AIDS research and more deregulation of the economy. However Thomson’s direct involvement in the Iran-Contra affair in the final year of his presidency (fairly the same as ITOL) forever tarnished his presidency. President Meldrim Thomson left office in 1989 with a 45% approval rating.
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41. The Candidate with the quote on quote “Right Stuff” was able to use his image as one of the nation’s most famous Astronauts to clear his way to the nomination. Glenn along with running mate Senator Bob Graham of Florida was able to best the colorless GOP ticket of Vice President William Brock and Senator Bob Dole of Kansas. However, Glenn would enter a sour economic situation as after years of banking deregulation led to the collapse of the entire Savings and Loans industry. Glenn successful win in the Persian Gulf War against Saddam Hussein for the invasion of Kuwait gave President Glenn a nice rally around the flag effect into the election. However the October surprise against the 41st President would be his discovered involvement in the Keating Five scandal. Although the Senate Ethics Committee would clear him of any wrong doing, it would bring several questions in the minds of Voter’s about the old man’s judgment. The Keating Five Scandal would prove to be President Glenn’s downfall, as he is narrowly defeated in a ridiculously close election by Governor Chris Cox of California and Congressman Gary A. Franks of Connecticut on a 276 to 262 Electoral Vote margin.

42. At age 40, Governor Charles Christopher “Chris” Cox became the nation’s youngest and first Baby Boomer President inaugurated. Former Congressman Gary Franks became the first African American Vice President. Cox served as Thomson’s Secretary of Tresaury from 1981-1986 to run against unpopular incumbent Governor Tom Bradley of California. As President, Cox kept his promise to govern as an Undoctrinate Conservative but didn’t necessarily veto all of the legislation from the GOP controlled congress including School Voucher Program, DOMA, and Flag Burning Amendment etc. With the economy finally rebounded from the ’91-92 Recession, the incumbent Cox/Franks won a comfortable victory over Former VP Bob Graham of Florida and Governor Ann Richards of Texas with a 359 to 189 victory. In his second term, President Cox would be able to flex his foreign policy muscles more as he successfully negotiated a peace settlement in the Balkans conflict. He would also successfully bring Welfare and Tax Reform back onto the table. The Highly popular president would leave office with a 65% approval ratings.

43. Running for President Cox’s third term, Vice President Gary Franks who just 8 years earlier was just a Congressman of Conneticut became the nation’s 1st Black President on January 20th 2001. His victory came after a stunning defeat of Senator Bill Bradley in the 2000 election on a 403 to 305 electoral victory. President Franks term however would be filled with despair, as the dot com bubble finally burst, mishandling with the War in Afghanistan after Terrorist attacks in 2001 and sky high gas prices. The incumbent Franks/McCain ticket would go down in defeat in a 350 to 188 electoral loss by Senator Chet Edwards of Texas.

44. Promising a return to the Great Society programs of the ‘60’s and 70’s, the Progressive Senator from Texas beat out the nation’s 1st Black President in an election where Voters craved change from 12 years of Republican Administration. Edwards worked hard to get a new GI. Bill passed for Afghanistan War Veterans, as well as a major push for Alternative Energy Sources. His successful surge campaign in the Afghanistan War finally brought signs of working by the 2008 elections, giving him a resounding 413 electoral vote victory against former Vice President John McCain. However, with the war coming to an end by 2010, massive inflation hit the Post-War American economy as well as a skyrocketing food prices due to the Edwards administration’s push for Corn ethanol production. Overall his progressive policies had shown to finally be shifting America back to the left by the end of his term. His more conservative running mate, Vice President Evan Bayh lost out in the 2012 election over the Neo-Rockefeller Republican Governor Dede Scozzafava of New York in a narrow victory.

45. The First Female President
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The Duke Wins: List of Presidents

40. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Michael S. “Mike” Dukakis (D-MA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997
42. James “Jim” Edgar (R-IL): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2005
43. J.C. Watts Jr. (R-OK): January 20th 2005-January 20th 2009**

44. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (D-MD): January 20th 2009-???**

Notes

41. First Greek-American President
43. First African American President
44. First Female President

The Duke Wins: List of Vice-Presidents

41. George H.W. Bush (R-TX): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
43. Lloyd M. Bentsen (D-TX): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993
44. William J. “Bill” Clinton (D-AK): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997

45. J.C. Watts Jr. (R-OK): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2005
46. Peter B. “Pete” Wilson (R-CA): January 20th 2005-January 20th 2009

47. James H. “Jim” Webb Jr. (D-VA): January 20th 2009-???
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One World: Willkie beats Roosevelt

32. Franklin D. “FDR” Roosevelt (D-NY): March 4th 1933-January 20th 1941
33. Wendell L. Willkie (R-NY): January 20th 1941-October 8th 1944*
34. Carter Glass (D-VA): October 8th 1944-January 20th 1945**
35. John W. Bricker (R-OH): January 20th 1945-January 20th 1949
36. George C. Marshall (D-VA): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1957
37. James Roosevelt (D-CA): January 20th 1957-January 20th 1961**

38. Henry C. Lodge Jr. (R-MA): January 20th 1961-July 4th 1963*
39. Willliam F. Knowland (R-CA): July 4th 1963-January 20th 1969

40. Thomas J. “Tom” Dodd (D-CT): January 20th 1969-May 24th 1971***
41. Ernest F. “Fritz” Hollings (D-SC): May 24th 1971-January 20th 1973

42. George C. Lodge II (R-MA): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1981
43. Daniel “Chappie” James Jr. (R-FL): January 20th 1981-Feburary 25th 1983**
44. George W.  Romney (R-MI): February 25th 1983-January 20th 1985**

45. Robert P. “Bob” Casey (D-PA): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1989
46. Patricia N. “Pat” Schroeder (R-CO): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993**
47. Ernest F. “Fritz” Hollings (D-SC): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001**
48. Timothy J. “Tim” Russert (D-NY): January 20th 2001-June 13th 2005*
49. Zell B. Miller (D-GA): June 13th 2005-January 20th 2009

50. Cruz M. Bustamante (R-CA): January 20th 2009-???**

Notes.

33. Died in office due a massive heart attack
34. First President Pro Tempore of the Senate to ascend to the Presidency; also oldest President (86 at the time of Swearing in ceremony)
37. First Son of a President to be elected in the 20th Century
38. Assassinated by disgruntled Lee Harvey Oswald in Chicago, Illinois
40. First Roman Catholic-Irish American and First to resign the Presidency due to charges of corruption
43. First African American President; died in office due to a massive heart attack
44. First Mormon President
46. First Female President
47. First to serve two non consecutive terms in the 20th Century
48. Died in office due to Coronary thrombosis
50. First Hispanic American President
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« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2010, 10:12:43 AM »

Here's a new list...Based on if Carter won the 1980 Election...

Malaise Delenda Est: POTUS List

39. James E. “Jimmy” Carter (D-GA): January 20th 1977-March 30th 1981*
40. Walter F. “Fritz” Mondale (D-MN): March 30th 1981-January 20th 1985

41. James R. “Big Jim” Thompson (R-IL): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1993
42. James E. “Lil Jim” E. Folsom Jr. (D-AL): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Frank D. White (R-AK): January 20th 2001-May 21st 2003*
44. Thomas J. “Tom” Ridge (R-PA): May 21st 2003-January 20th 2009

45. Deval L. Patrick (D-MA): January 20th 2009-???**

Notes

39. Assassinated by John Hinckley in Washington DC.
43. Died in office due to a massive heart attack
45. First African American President


VPOTUS List

42. Walter F. “Fritz” Mondale (D-MN): January 20th 1977-March 30th 1981
Vacant: March 30th-May 23rd 1981
43. Harold Lee Washington (D-IL): May 23rd 1981-January 20th 1985**
44. Paula Hawkins (R-FL): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1993**
45. Joseph R. “Bob” Kerrey (D-NE): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
46. Thomas J. “Tom” Ridge (R-PA): January 20th 2001-May 21st 2003
Vacant May 21st-September 11th 2003
47. Alberto R. Gonzales (R-TX): September 11th 2003-January 20th 2009**
48. Wesley K. Clark (D-AK): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

43. First African American Vice President
44. First Female Vice President
47. First Mexican American Vice President
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« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2010, 04:10:18 PM »

Ok here's a list based on the POD that President Elect Franklin Pierce died in the Train wreck in Andover in 1853 instead of his son...Two months before he's supposed to be inaugurated Presidents...Allthough I know, that the later Presidents OTTL might not of been even born, Im just using OTL names as placeholders for people with simmilar carears, backgrounds and Personality.

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Train of Death: What if Franklin Pierce died before his Inauguration

13. Millard Fillmore (W-NY): July 9th 1850-March 4th 1853
14. William Rufus D. King (D-AL): March 4th- April 18th 1853*
15. David Rice Atchison (D-MO): April 18th 1853-March 4th 1857**

16. Levi D. Boone (A-IL): March 4th 1857-March 4th 1861
17. Samuel “Sam” Houston (U-TX): March 4th 1861-July 26th 1863*
18. George H. Pendelton (U-OH): July 26th 1863-March 4th 1873

19. Nathaniel P. Banks (A-MA): March 4th 1873-March 4th 1877
20. John T. Hoffman (U-NY): March 4th 1877-March 4th 1881
21. John W. Phelps (A-VT): March 4th 1881-Febuary 2nd 1885*
22. Dennis Kearney (A-CA): February 2nd 1885-March 4th 1893
23. William D. Hoard (A-WI): March 4th 1893-March 4th 1897

24. William J. Bryan (P-NE): March 4th 1897-July 26th 1902*
25. Thomas E. Watson (P-GA): July 26th 1902-March 4th 1913**

26. Judson Harmon (A-OH): March 4th 1913-March 4th 1917
27. Robert M. LaFollette Sr. (P-WI): March 4th 1917-March 4th 1921
28. Albert Washington (A-WA): March 4th 1921-January 17th 1927*
29. David Reed (A-PA): January 17th 1927-March 4th 1933

30. John Purrory Mitchell (P-NY): March 4th 1933-July 6th 1944**
31. Alben W. Barkley (P-KY): July 6th 1944-January 20th 1949

32. Leverett A. “Salty” Saltonstall (A-MA): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1957
33. Clair Engle (P-CA): January 20th 1957-July 30th 1963*
34. Albert A. “Al” Gore Sr. (P-TN): July 30th 1963-January 20th 1969

35. William E. Miller (A-NY): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
36. Harold Hughes (P-IA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
37. John M. Ashbrook (A-OH): January 20th 1981-April 24th 1982*
38. Marion G. “Pat” Robertson (A-VA): April 24th 1982-January 20th 1993

39. Charles S. “Chuck” Robb (P-VA): January 20th 1993-August 9th 1998***
40. Patricia N. “Pat” Schroeder (P-CO): August 9th 1998-January 20th 2001**

41. John R. Kasich (A-OH): January 20th-September 11th 2001*
42. Louis C. “Lou” Dobbs (A-TX): September 11th 2001-January 20th 2009

43. Kendrick B. Meek (P-FL): January 20th 2009-???***

Notes

14. Sworn in as President, due to President-Elect Franklin Pierce death via train-wreck in January of 1853…Died in office a month and half later due to Tuberculosis.
15. Due to the absence of a Vice President, next inline Pro-Temp of the Senate becomes President.
17. Died in Office due to Pneumonia
21. Assassinated by a disgruntled Irish Immigrant due to the American Party’s staunchly xenophobic laws.
24. Youngest President to be elected (36) also later died in office due to diabetes and fatigue
25. First President to break the Washington Tradition (Serving only 8 years)
28. Assassinated by a disgruntled office seeker (Spoils system reforms is a lot slower ITTL).
30. First Irish American/Roman Catholic President as well as First to win a Third Term in his own right…Later Assassinated by a Pro-Imperialist Japanese Immigrant.
33. Died in office due to complications of Brain Cancer.
37. Died in office due to a massive gastric Hemorrhage.
39. First to Resign the Presidency due to an impending Impeachment on Bribery/Infidelity scandals.
40. First Female President, also only President never to be elected (Nominated after Vice President Guy Hunt’s resignation in 1997)
41. Assassinated by domestic Eco-Terrorists.
43. First African American President.

D= Democratic Party
W= Whig Party
A= American (Know Nothing) Party
U= Unionist Party
P=Populist Party
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« Reply #73 on: February 20, 2010, 09:12:56 PM »


Cross of Gold: Bryan Wins TL


24. Grover Cleveland (D-NY): March 4th 1893-March 4th 1897
25. William J. Bryan (D-NE): March 4th 1897-September 5th 1901**
26. George Dewey (D-VT): September 5th 1901-March 4th 1905

27. Theodore “Teddy” Roosevelt (R-NY): March 4th 1905-March 4th 1913
28. John W. Kern (D-IN): March 4th 1913-March 4th 1917
29. Theodore “Teddy” Roosevelt (R-NY): March 4th 1917-March 4th 1921**
30. Franklin Knight Lane (D-CA): March 4th 1921-May 18th 1923*
31. Charles W. Bryan (D-NE): May 18th 1923-March 4th 1929**
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933

33. William E. Borah (R-ID): March 4th 1933-January 4th 1940*
34. James J. “Puddler Jim” Davis (R-PA): January 4th 1940-November 22nd 1943*
35. Alfred “Alf” M. Landon (R-KS): November 22nd 1943-January 20th 1945

36. Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (D-MA): January 20th 1945-January 20th 1953**
37. Thomas E. Dewey (R-NY): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1957
38. C. Estes Kefauver (D-TN): January 20th 1957-January 20th 1961
39. Prescott S. Bush (R-CT): January 20th 1961-October 8th 1962*
40. Mark O. Hatfield (R-ON): October 8th 1962-January 20th 1973

41. Charlton Heston (D-CA): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1981
42. Phillip M. “Phil” Crane (R-IL): January 20th-December 25th 30th 1981*
43. Alexander P. Haig (R-PA): March 30th 1981-January 20th 1985

44. Alan M. Cranston (D-CA): January 20th 1985-August 9th 1990***
45. Mark W. White (D-TX): August 9th 1990-January 20th 1993**

46. David N. Dinkins (R-NY): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001**
47. Kent Conrad (D-ND): January 20th 2001-Febuary 14 2002**
48. Marilyn Tucker-Coats (D-IN): February 14th 2002-January 20th 2009**
49. Richard J. “Rick” Santorum (D-PA): January 20th 2009-January 20th 2013

50. Ben R. Luján (R-NM): January 20th 2013-???**

Notes.

25. Youngest President to be elected (36) and later assassinated by Anarchist Leo Czolgosz in his second term.
29. First President to break the Washington Tradition by winning a third un-consecutive term.
30. Died in office due to complications of Heart Disease
31. First Brother of a former President to be elected.
33. Died in office due a cerebral hemorrhage.
34. Died in office due to a massive heart attack
36. First Irish American/Roman Catholic President.
39. Assassinated via Rifle by a Pro-Segregationist Southerner
42. Assassinated via Pistol by a crazed Nuclear-Freeze advocate.
44. Oldest elected and First to Resign the Presidency due to impending Corruption charges
45. Only President to have never been elected (due to the resignation of Gary Hart a year earlier on Infidelity charges)
46. First African American President
47. Assassinated via Anthrax poisoning supplied by Islamic Fundamentalist terrorists.
48. First Female President
50. First Mexican American President.
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« Reply #74 on: February 26, 2010, 10:07:20 AM »


Dynasty: POTUS List

36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): November 22nd 1963-January 20th 1969
37. George W. Romney (R-MI): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977**
38. Robert F. “Bobby” Kennedy (D-NY): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981**
39. Charles H. “Chuck” Percy (R-IL): January 20th-March 30th 1981*
40. Ronald E. “Ron” Paul (R-TX): March 30th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Alexander M. Haig (R-PA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

42. Mario M. Cuomo (D-NY): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001**
43. Craig L. Thomas (R-WY): January 20th 2001-July 4th 2006*
44. Willard “Mitt” Romney (R-MA): July 4th 2006-January 20th 2009**

45. Andrew M. Cuomo (D-NY): January 20th 2009-January 20th 2013**
46. Randal H. “Rand” Paul (R-KY): January 20th 2013-January 20th 2017
47. Artur G. Davis (D-AL): January 20th 2017-???**

Notes.

37. First Mormon President
38. First Brother of a former President to be elected
39. Assassinated via Revolver by John Hinckley
42. First Italian American President
43. Died in office due to complications of Leukemia
44. First Son of a President to ascend to the White House in almost two centuries, also Only President never to be elected(Due to the resignation of Vice President David Drier in 2005 on Gay Sex Scandal charges.)
45. First Son of a President to be elected in the 21st Century
47. First African American President

Veep List

38. Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969
39. Roman L. Hruska (R-NE): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
40. Lawton M. Chiles Jr. (D-FL): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
41. Ronald E. “Ron” Paul (R-TX): January 20th-March 30th 1981
Vacant: March 30th-May 21st 1981
42. Alexander M. Haig (R-PA): May 21st 1981-January 20th 1989
43. Carroll A. Campbell Jr. (R-SC): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

44. Henry G. Ciseneros (D-TX): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997**
45. Paul D. Wellstone (D-MN): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001**

46. David T. Drier (R-CA): January 20th 2001-October 10th 2005***
Vacant: October 10th-December 7th 2005
47. Willard Mitt Romney (R-MA): December 7th 2005-July 4th 2006
Vacant: July 4th-September 11th 2006
48. Randal H. “Rand” Paul (R-KY): September 11th 2006-January 20th 2009

49. James H. “Jim” Webb (D-VA): January 20th 2009-January 20th 2013
50. Susan E. Eisenhower (R-PA): January 20th 2013-January 20th 2017**
51. Wesley K. Clarke (D-AK): January 20th 2017-???

Notes

44. First Hispanic American Vice President
45. First Jewish American Vice President
46. First to resign the Vice Presidency due to Gay Sex Scandal
50. First Female Vice President
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