Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

You do realize that people are dying right?

I know that more than almost anyone here, as I have relatives in occupied areas I haven't heard from since day one. I have no idea what happened to them.

I cope with this by making light of the pain these weapon deliveries will bring to the Russian military and its murderers. What else should I do?

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NBC poll

Americans are split on providing more funding and weapons to Ukraine, with 49% believing Congress should do this, versus 47% saying it shouldn’t.

Its getting close to 50/50 on this issue. Expect Trump to jump in this issue more and more. 

Alright you CCP apologist clown, let's look at the facts.

According to that NBC poll, which you of course clearly didn't bother to read (how could you when you were researching how much revenue selling your family would generate), 49% were in favor of more aid. 15% additional percent thought that what we gave was enough/a bit too much, while four percent didn't care. That puts the actual number of Americans strongly against arming Ukraine at 32%- hardly a dub for you and authoritarianism gang.

In another L for you, the poll also shows only 8% of Americans strongly opposed to imposing sanctions on China, which is basically the Lizardman Constant.

Just face it. The average American is against authoritarianism and authoritarian governments. The average European thinks the same. The free world stands strong and united. I take all pleasure in saying this:

Cope.

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https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-missile-strike-energy-blackout-winter-christmas-1764885

Newsweek: "Ukraine's National Grid Could Collapse by Christmas"

Can we get an update on this?

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I have taken to following the Sea Lion Press thread on the invasion rather than reading the increasingly large piles of incomprehensible fascist drivel written by subliterate war crime apologists like SirWoodbury and Jaichind.

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I've finally decided to take the advice of others and ignore Woodbury and Jaichind's posts. Here is the new average Russia/Ukraine thread:

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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/13/u-s-wont-send-long-range-missiles-ukraine-00082652

"U.S. tells Ukraine it won’t send long-range missiles because it has few to spare"

Do you even read the articles you post?

"The Pentagon’s assessment of its stockpiles is informed in part by how many weapons and munitions planners think they might need to confront an enemy. Those plans have not been significantly revised since the start of the war in Ukraine, and have not recalibrated what the stockpiles the U.S. might need in reserve to face a weakened Russia, or account for the fact that Ukraine is essentially fighting that war right now."

The Pentagon's assessment is based on a Russia that everyone thought could steamroll NATO in 48 hours. Not the one sending thousands of mobiks to their deaths to take a city with a population lower than that.

They also said that they are concerned Ukraine would use the missiles to attack deep in Russian territory, past the Kremlin's "red line"

Your fascist apologia is disproven once again.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Sounds like Ukraine might of stabilized the Bakmut front 🤞
https://mobile.twitter.com/markito0171/status/1625496450955374597
https://mobile.twitter.com/HeliosRunner/status/1625511147934830593

https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1625515790257594368
More reports coming in of Bakmut counterattacks

SirWoodbury in shambles.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-faces-painful-choice-as-russia-tightens-chokehold-on-bakhmut-81dcec37

"Ukraine Faces Painful Choice as Russia Tightens Chokehold on Bakhmut"

How much of a mindless Putin fanboy do you have to be in order to post "Russia tightens hold on Bakhmut" right below a post on successful Ukrainian counter-offensives in Bakhmut?

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/plus243769767/Panzer-Risse-in-der-Leopard-Koalition-ploetzlich-steht-Deutschland-ziemlich-allein-da.html

Der Welt complains that now Germany is alone in the "tank coalition" as others drop out.

The West is fracturing I say as half of Russia's knock-off NATO refuses to support its invasion.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/02/16/ukraine-is-going-to-run-out-of-t-64-tanks

"Ukraine Is Going To Run Out Of T-64 Tanks"

Good thing they have more on the way!

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

As Bakhmut inevitably falls, Ukraine will soon launch an offensive towards the south to convince the West and NATO that they can still continue this war on their terms.

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Ukraine brought a disabled Russian tank in front of the Russian embassy in Berlin.  It seems counterprotesters start to put flowers on the tank.

https://twitter.com/godbjorn/status/1630532519400468487

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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-putin-winning-the-world-order-is-changing-in-his-favour/

"Is Putin winning? The world order is changing in his favour"

Some signs that some in the UK CON are thinking of breaking with the Boris Johnson line on the war.

Hmmm, as a UK based poster (even if very much not a Tory) count me strongly sceptical about this.

And, of course, define "winning"?

Almost literally whatever happens now, its nearly impossible to see how Putin conquers the entirety of Ukraine - which, whatever the spin put on things afterwards, was his clear aim at the start of the war. Even a relatively modest target like taking Odessa to deprive the enemy of its sea access, to take just one example, seems a very long way away at present.

My point is not if Putin is winning or not because the definition of winning is in the eye of the beholder.  My point is that magazine that used to be edited by Boris Johnson now seems to move toward a line on the war that is very different from Boris Johnson.

Yes. It's not edited by Boris Johnson anymore. As you said, yourself. In that same paragraph.

Honestly, you clowns disgust me. I would be curious how you sleep at night, but I know that you have previously stated that homeless people starving to death isn't the worst idea in the world and that burning down the Amazon was justified if it made your stocks go up.

There are Ukrainian-Americans in my region who have lost loved ones in the conflict, some children and some civilian.

You and Woodbury are spitting on their graves.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

They’re having a 7-1 kill ratio they want to squeeze the most out of

Yeah, okay bro.

Lot of Ukrainians are going to unnecessarily die for this action - you don't look at this map and think this is a favorable position:

https://twitter.com/UKikaski/status/1631693040040439808

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-04/putin-gets-military-tech-chips-semiconductors-despite-eu-and-g-7-sanctions

"Russia Is Getting Round Sanctions to Secure Supply of Key Chips for War"

Bloomberg reports that the Russia military is able to meet its chip needs mostly by going through Turkey and UAE to buy what they need.

And Turkey is a NATO country, right? Do they need a consensus to do anything or can countries act independently?

Because for consensus decisions, I can see Turkey blocking a lot of stuff. Russia would feel safe to take back all the past-Soviet territories even if part of NATO. That includes the Baltic countries (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) alongside Ukraine and Moldova, which currently appear to be the main targets.

If the West kinda ignores a large country like Ukraine calls for more involvement, even if they are not part of NATO, it’s kinda hard to see them wanting to start WWIII because of Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania, even if those are in NATO.

Turkey is slightly pro-Ukraine in the sense that they have no problem if Russia keeps all the areas it took over but Turkey does not want Russia to take over Odesa which would be bad strategically for Turkey in the Black Sea.

Of course, Turkey is in difficult economic trouble so anything that helps them get some extra cash would be welcome even if it is to help Russia buy some chips.

I showed this chart before but on the whole Turkey's population is fairly positive toward Russia

lol. After claiming for months that most Americans are turning against Ukraine, you post something that shows only 5% of Americans see Russia as an ally.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Tankies are mad at Bernie Sanders.

https://twitter.com/wallacemick/status/1632020306863837185

Mick Wallace should be deported to one of the despotic regimes he so supports. He can go with SnowLabrador, Clare Daly, Woodbury, Jaichind, Le Pen, and Wagenknecht

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

While the pro-Russia clowns like Woodbury and Jaichind and the Not Pro Russia *wink* people like Punxsutawney Phil are moving the goalposts for when a town the size of Utica falls after losing more than the entire pre-war population taking it, the the researchers in Russia are working hard to develop new weapons to fight the evil (((Westerners)))

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1633073333792129024

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https://twitter.com/TruthPuke/status/1633513142507704320

Aww, so wholesome!

I bet those men certainly don't work for a genocidal state you have a fetish for.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

As with every single day, I look at this thread to see 10 new posts from Woodbury about how Bakhmut will fall any day now, along with another 10 posts from Jaichind about how a 0.1% drop in estimated UK GDP growth will have a worse effect on the Ukrainian economy than Herbert Hoover personally destroying the entire US gold reserve.

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https://www.euractiv.com/section/defence-and-security/interview/not-much-left-on-russia-sanctions-other-support-needed-now-says-eus-borrell/

"‘Not much left’ on Russia sanctions, other support needed now, says EU’s Borrell"

The EU has nearly exhausted its options for punitive measures against Russia and the bloc’s attention needs to shift to financial and military support for Ukraine, the EU’s chief diplomat Josep Borrell told EURACTIV in an exclusive interview.

EU's Borrell pretty much says the EU is "sanctioned out" with respect to Russia.

If I was in charge of a sending prisoners and mental patients into a losing war against a smaller rival on behalf of a hypercapitalist, decaying, and morally/culturally stagnant country like Russia, I would rest easy knowing that some clowns on internet forums think the most prosperous region on Earth are at risk of ruin because they can't buy natural gas from me they don't need.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/12/biden-united-states-ukraine-relationship-cracks-00086654

"Little fissures’: The U.S.-Ukraine war unity is slowly cracking apart"

It was written on the wall with this trash guy Zelenskyy being a chihuahua acting like a pitbull, only because they are on a leash. And a bunch of people validating this attitude which started even before the war.

You cannot have intransigent positions when you don’t have the power to back that up. Ukraine is heavily dependent on Western weaponry, which is only supplied to the level it’s being done because the West hates Russia more than it really cares about Ukraine if we’re honest.

It’s understandable (even if not strategic) that Ukraine adopts an “all or nothing” position where they want to keep the fighting as long as until they take even Crimea back. What is not understandable is for part of the world to submit themselves to engage in a forever war based on pride only, to the point they validate those non-realistic goals and stimulate an even further conflict. And even to the point the guy receiving this help feels entitled to give you orders and say what you have to do lol.

I personally don’t have problems with this, Ukraine might as well suck the West dry as much as they can and also prolong the instability of the global factor that is brought by this war and stimulates the shuffling of international power dynamics. What is unacceptable to me is the insanity of people feeling entitled to lecture other countries on what they have to do regarding a conflict they have absolutely no relation with. If the West wants to go down because of Ukraine that’s with them as the sovereign nations they are, but they want to try to drag others to their pit in the same time. Misery likes company.

*Says we're all ignorant westerners*

*Claims """Global South""" is a monolithic thing*

Actually, if there is one thing the MUH GLOBAL SOUTH is monolithic on... Well, check out this map on opinions of America:

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EVERY POST IN THIS THREAD:

Woodbury: posts tweets that show Ukraine is in a bad state
Jaichind: posts some random economic figures that mean nothing
RedVelvet: mentions how one of the random economic figures means the """GLOBAL SOUTH""" is turning on the West
TimTurner: post tweet about something nice the Russians did or does a 'both sides bad' equivocation

This thread has just turned into a circle jerk between these four clowns who get off on the scene in The Man In The High Castle where they blow up the Statue of Liberty.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Why does it matter to you WHY India is buying Russian oil? The fact is that they are buying tons of it and that is great to give Russia a way out of the sanctions!

What is exactly that you’re bragging about? Uhh India is helping Russia but it’s not because they like like Russia, they still like us better. Is international geopolitics like middle school to you people or something?

It’s so fascinating to see how most people here tend to frame everything under a morality or friends logic lmao. The other dude was posting some irrelevant map about what powerless average people abroad think of the US.

Newsflash: there isn’t morality OR true “friendship” in geopolitics. Everyone is driven by their self-interests. They can be directed towards different things simultaneously and sometimes may be even misguided internal strategies, but no ones does anything only because they have more personal friendship with one country more than they have with another.

No, of course not. Indians have always been world-renowned for haggling, so they aren't making decisions based on friendship or feelings. The fact that the Indian government calculated that it was the best course of action to order its buyers to buy Russian oil at a price cap the western countries imposed, which effectively forces the Russians to sell the oil at barely any profit, means they're happy to let the Russians suffer if they save some foreign exchange. The fact that the Indian government ordered its buyers not to use Chinese Yuan to buy Russian oil out of distrust of China - and directed them to use what is effectively a sovereign-backed US Dollar-based stablecoin instead - also means they would rather perpetuate US financial hegemony than enjoy whatever benefit that might exist with trading in Chinese Yuan. Nothing wrong with that, but it disproves any notion that the Global South is coalescing around Russia in its fight against western hegemony.

Depends on what you consider “siding with Russia” because the meaning of that seems to change around here depending on what’s more convenient.

I’m tired of hearing here that neutrality is impossible in this situation of aggression and that it is by default a “Pro-Russia” position. But when it’s undeniably pointed the neutrality of global south countries in this conflict, you shift the narrative to Global South isn’t getting behind Russia because they’re neutral, it’s “only business” as you mention for India.

You can only pick one narrative without entering a contradiction. If western leaders weren’t concerned about where the global south stands in this this conflict, you wouldn’t hear the stuff that leaders like Macron talk very publicly about here:

https://www.twitter.com/FromSteveHowell/status/1627396580780257281

Macron is also a f@cking idiot with the political instincts of a demented walrus.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

That said, if we do have to have a settlement, I would think Russia gets Crimea and Dontesk but pays a f@ck ton of money to Ukraine, who then get fast-track NATO/EU access. Russians can spin it as a win and the Ukrainians can recover faster.

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EVERY POST IN THIS THREAD:

Woodbury: posts tweets that show Ukraine is in a bad state
Jaichind: posts some random economic figures that mean nothing
RedVelvet: mentions how one of the random economic figures means the """GLOBAL SOUTH""" is turning on the West
TimTurner: post tweet about something nice the Russians did or does a 'both sides bad' equivocation

This thread has just turned into a circle jerk between these four clowns who get off on the scene in The Man In The High Castle where they blow up the Statue of Liberty.

would you prefer a one sided pro ukraine narrative? whether you agree with those posters or not they provide an idealogical counterpoint that is quite present in the world but underrepresented in the english speaking internet

My problem with Woodbury, Jaichind, and RedVelvet isn't the fact that they post their pro-Russia stuff here, but the fact that they are ignorant clowns with their heads up their asses who post dozens of times per day with repetitive takes that make the thread unreadable (since pro-Ukraine posters will reply to them).