Volkswagen workers in Tennessee vote to join UAW

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Just for reference only 10% of Americans are apart of a union, but sure they’re the ones with all the power in economic policy…

I never said the unions had all the power in economic policy. I said they had undue power created by government rules and laws deliberately favoring them.

That's to prevent worker uprisings, starvation, poverty, and mass shootings.

Corporations actually are not all that humane and giving if left to their own devices as seen in the late 19th century.

Weird. Here in North Carolina we have never had large unions, but we've also never had worker uprisings or mass starvation. We have had poverty, and mass shootings, but I'm not particularly sure unions are connected to avoiding those things, either. And the Gilded Age was a time of great economic prosperity and growth.

Yep. That's why NC is repeatedly ranked near the bottom of worker protections, frequently dead last, although they did pass MS last year.

https://www.wavy.com/news/north-carolina/north-carolina-is-worst-in-nation-for-workers-new-report-says/#:~:text=state-mandated%20wage.-,Best%20and%20Worst%20States%20to,Rankings%20according%20to%20Oxfam%20America.&text=Lack%20of%20protections%20for%20workers,protections%2C%20only%20ahead%20of%20Mississippi.

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Just for reference only 10% of Americans are apart of a union, but sure they’re the ones with all the power in economic policy…

I never said the unions had all the power in economic policy. I said they had undue power created by government rules and laws deliberately favoring them.

That's to prevent worker uprisings, starvation, poverty, and mass shootings.

Corporations actually are not all that humane and giving if left to their own devices as seen in the late 19th century.

Weird. Here in North Carolina we have never had large unions, but we've also never had worker uprisings or mass starvation. We have had poverty, and mass shootings, but I'm not particularly sure unions are connected to avoiding those things, either. And the Gilded Age was a time of great economic prosperity and growth.

Yep. That's why NC is repeatedly ranked near the bottom of worker protections, frequently dead last, although they did pass MS last year.

https://www.wavy.com/news/north-carolina/north-carolina-is-worst-in-nation-for-workers-new-report-says/#:~:text=state-mandated%20wage.-,Best%20and%20Worst%20States%20to,Rankings%20according%20to%20Oxfam%20America.&text=Lack%20of%20protections%20for%20workers,protections%2C%20only%20ahead%20of%20Mississippi.

That's bad logic. You're arguing that unions are good because they produce worker protections, but almost everyone who dislikes unions dislikes laws mandating working conditions too, so your argument only appeals to those who already agree with you.

Hmm. And you don't think "disliking unions" and "disliking laws mandating working conditions" have any correlation whatsoever in those states noted for bad worker protections?

Nice try, though.

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Just for reference only 10% of Americans are apart of a union, but sure they’re the ones with all the power in economic policy…

I never said the unions had all the power in economic policy. I said they had undue power created by government rules and laws deliberately favoring them.

That's to prevent worker uprisings, starvation, poverty, and mass shootings.

Corporations actually are not all that humane and giving if left to their own devices as seen in the late 19th century.

Weird. Here in North Carolina we have never had large unions, but we've also never had worker uprisings or mass starvation. We have had poverty, and mass shootings, but I'm not particularly sure unions are connected to avoiding those things, either. And the Gilded Age was a time of great economic prosperity and growth.

Yep. That's why NC is repeatedly ranked near the bottom of worker protections, frequently dead last, although they did pass MS last year.

https://www.wavy.com/news/north-carolina/north-carolina-is-worst-in-nation-for-workers-new-report-says/#:~:text=state-mandated%20wage.-,Best%20and%20Worst%20States%20to,Rankings%20according%20to%20Oxfam%20America.&text=Lack%20of%20protections%20for%20workers,protections%2C%20only%20ahead%20of%20Mississippi.

That's bad logic. You're arguing that unions are good because they produce worker protections, but almost everyone who dislikes unions dislikes laws mandating working conditions too, so your argument only appeals to those who already agree with you.

Hmm. And you don't think "disliking unions" and "disliking laws mandating working conditions" have any correlation whatsoever in those states noted for bad worker protections?

Nice try, though.

You're still missing the point. Laws mandating worker conditions and legal worker protections are the same thing, lol. I don't care that North Carolina has a bad ranking on that list: if anything I cherish it, as a symbol of economic freedom. And that would similarly be the response of almost all opponents of unions, so your point isn't responsive to the core argument.

Not missing the point. I understand you think that. Although even most rank-and-file Republican voters who work would not agree with wanting NO worker protections. They just happen to take the basic ones for granted these days.

Additionally, another poster said you don't work/don't support yourself. If true, you're working from a theoretical framework, and I'm going to take your thoughts on the matter with a grain of salt.

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1. Okay. But that's non-responsive to the argument I'm making. Your point still doesn't prove that not having unions as bad.

2. I've never doxxed myself and I have no intention of doing so. I have worked before, like any normal person. I am currently a college student.

1. I'm not going to spend a lot of time debating you on it; I'm not going to change your terrible stance. Was mostly just showing others, who likely aren't the least bit surprised that the bottom of the workers' protection list is filled with Southern states, how horrid NC in particular is.

2. Wouldn't call sharing some vague personal details "doxxing" yourself, but ok. Point is, you just really don't have the experience here to have a truly informed worldview on this. I used to make the same arguments back when I was a young pup too. Then you get out in the real world.