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Red Velvet
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« on: July 15, 2021, 03:21:05 PM »

I'd add by saying that it's hard to begrudge Lula or MAS in Bolivia for being pro-regime because the Cuban government has greatly assisted the Brazilian and Bolivian people, even if it's through means that are pretty unsavory. Cuban healthcare humanitarianism raises all kinds of challenging moral questions. It is hard to imagine a poorer country having a program like this without exploiting its doctors and nurses but the program has been so beneficial and unparalleled that it's extremely hard to criticize it. I also suspect many Cuban doctors and nurses participating in it feel very proud of their achievements.

And while again, i'm not denying the positive effects of the "humanitarian assistance", Cuba is also participant in the venezuelan crisis, perhaps the worst humanitarian disaster in latin american history, as to this day, they sent thousands of cuban agents to provide military and intelligence assistance to the chavist regime. Not very different from what the US did in the middle east, but somehow the US is the "evil empire", while cuba is some poor, besieged victim.

Well, I’ve never heard of Cuba throwing bombs or overthrowing governments in other countries in order to get what they want. Sure, that might be a thing they would do if they were bigger and able to do that stuff, but they are too small on all senses to be able to do that. Maybe in an alternative timeline.

But if you want to limit the context of just humanitarian aid being given for the sake of expanding influence and power, are you saying that US and Cuba are equals from opposite sides and there aren’t good or bad guys in that context, it’s something that most places do it to some level in order to politically survive or to get more support and power?

Also, Cuba did gain a lot of soft power here between some sectors with the doctors program where they were sent to work in more distant and isolated communities where Brazilian doctors don’t want to go live, making these places lack medical assistance. However, it was something that had its fair share of resistance as well, especially from the right who accused these doctors to be stealing Brazilian jobs (even though they were mostly filling spots in the middle of nowhere places that no privileged Brazilian doctor wanted, including assistance to isolated Indigenous communities! lmao) and lots of Cuban doctors were met with xenophobia in the airport with people telling them to go back to their country. It was a very polarized topic in which the left supported that the Cuban doctors were doing something good to Brazil and deserved to stay here, while the right was against it because they believed that migration to be a threat to Brazilian doctors (and also the usual “Cuba is a communist country” fearmongering).
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Red Velvet
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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2021, 12:04:48 AM »

Well, I’ve never heard of Cuba throwing bombs or overthrowing governments in other countries in order to get what they want. Sure, that might be a thing they would do if they were bigger and able to do that stuff, but they are too small on all senses to be able to do that. Maybe in an alternative timeline.

You said it yourself. And you don't have to look at alternate timelines to imagine what a Cuba with large resources would've done.

But if you want to limit the context of just humanitarian aid being given for the sake of expanding influence and power, are you saying that US and Cuba are equals from opposite sides and there aren’t good or bad guys in that context, it’s something that most places do it to some level in order to politically survive or to get more support and power?

Yes. Cuba doesn't of course have the resources and capabilities of the US, but it's playing the same game.


Considering we’re in Latin America and not Eastern Europe, I think the priority of who we should worry more about is clear. Not sure why I should care about Cuba when they mostly mind their own business and the only big exchange I remember from them was Cuban doctors taking jobs that Brazilian doctors feel they’re too good to take them.

It’s never a matter of ideology, but power. If US was communist but with the same level of influence, then you would see the right getting a similar type of national appeal in defense of the country sovereignty in the region kinda like you see in Eastern European countries against Russia. In LatAm it’s the left that has this narrative of protecting national independence and self-determination because it’s not USSR or Russia influence that is close, it’s the US.

Same way China’s Asian neighbors tend to be increasingly more suspicious of China, as they are in whatever is considered their “sphere of influence”. In the end is more of a sovereignty survival speech that can be adopted by either the left or the right depending of the place context.

Which is why the global left loves using Latin American countries as poster for their cause in the same way the global right loves to bring Eastern European countries as evidence that their side is the “good” one fighting for freedom.

I don’t believe in “good” or “bad” guys, I think we just live in a planet where we have multiple places with different backgrounds that have their individual self-interests and those often just happen to become obstacles between themselves. I wouldn’t think ANYONE is fighting for something more noble than protecting their interests. Sometimes you can create allignements with others for shared goals and more strength, but even those collective alliances are created out of a self-interest.

If I was Ukrainian, Hungarian or something from those ex-communist countries then I would also be really suspicious of Russia interfering. It’s the same self-protection and self-determination instinct after all. If the greatest threat from the left in LatAm is the island of Cuba, I’m not really worried by the left or their infiltrated Cuban doctors lol. What exactly can they do to be a threat? However, I am kinda concerned about CIA director meeting with a president that has signaled multiple times he wants to attempt a coup if he isn’t re-elected because that will be a “fraud”.
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