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Benjamin Frank
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« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2021, 10:02:27 PM »
« edited: August 19, 2021, 10:06:09 PM by Frank »

This is based on the election count before the official (certified) results.

Party vote by (broad) region

Mainland Nova Scotia (25 ridings)
Total votes: 187,310
Liberal: 63,425  33.9%
P.C:      89,736  47.9
NDP:    24,622  13.1
Green:   4600     2.5
Other:   4,927

Halifax Regional Municipality (22 ridings)
Total Votes: 167,731
Liberal: 64,970  38.7%
P.C:      47,581  28.4
NDP:    50,364  30.0
Green:   4,369   2.6
Other:      447

Cape Breton (8 ridings)
Total Votes: 61,822
Liberal: 24,696  39.9%
P.C:      23,679  38.3
NDP:    12,865  20.8
Green:        72
Other:       510

Even being aware of the vagaries of first past the post, I find it hard to believe the Liberals received the most votes on Cape Breton but lost in seats 5-2 to the P.Cs.


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Benjamin Frank
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« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2021, 10:23:17 PM »
« Edited: August 19, 2021, 10:38:11 PM by Frank »

I know that you've all you following this thread have been waiting on baited breath, unable to sleep, for Frank's cabinet prediction.  Okay, none of you have, but you all should have!


I don't think this will be completely correct as I don't think the cabinet will actually be this large or that these will be all actual ministries.

1.Premier/Federal-Provincial Relations, Tim Houston
2.Finance, Allan MacMaster
3.Economic Development and Trade, Steve Craig
4.Tourism, Small Business and Culture, Trevor Boudreau
5.Labour, Immigration and Citizenship, Kim Masland
6.Natural Resources and Forestry, Tory Rushton
7.Energy and Mines, Keith Bains
8.Agriculture, Fisheries and Aquaculture, John Lohr
9.Environment, Barbara Adams
10.Transportation and Infrastructure, Karla MacFarlane
11.Service Nova Scotia, Brian Wong
12.Children and Family Development, Jill Besler
13.Social Development and Housing, Larry Harrison
14.Education, Susan Corkum Greek
15.Advanced Education and Training, Colton LeBlanc
16.Health, Tim Halman
17.Municiptal Affairs, Brad Johns
18.Indigenous Relations, Michelle Thompson
19.Justice and Public Safety, Becky Durham

Speaker, Pat Dunn
Whip, Dave Ritcey
Caucus Chair, Tom Taggart

My track record is to get a lot of the names right (though far from all) for getting into the cabinet, but to get them in the wrong positions.

Pat Dunn is the only P.C MLA to have previously served in cabinet, all be it in a fairly junior ministry (health promotion and protection) but I think he loses out in Pictou based on the numbers game.

Keith Bain is the only other P.C MLA to have been on the government benches, but he was, I believe, the Deputy Speaker at the time.

Part of the problem with forming a cabinet taking gender into consideration is that this is the gender breakdown of the P.C MLAs

Mainland: 12 men, 8 women
Halifax: 5 men, 1 woman
Cape Breton, 5 men

So, providing representation for Halifax and Cape Breton in the cabinet makes it harder to appoint more women to the cabinet.

(In addition to the 9 women in the P.C caucus, there are 5 women in the Liberal caucus, 5 in the NDP caucus and the one independent, so 20 of the 55 MLAs are women.)
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Benjamin Frank
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« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2021, 10:55:05 PM »

Cape Breton (8 ridings)
Total Votes: 61,822
Liberal: 24,696  39.9%
P.C:      23,679  38.3
NDP:    12,865  20.8
Green:        72
Other:       510

Even being aware of the vagaries of first past the post, I find it hard to believe the Liberals received the most votes on Cape Breton but lost in seats 5-2 to the P.Cs.





Unusual indeed; seems to come down to very poor third-place Tory showings in both Sydney - Membertou & Cape Breton - Whitney Pier, combined with fairly marginal Tory wins in Glace Bay - Dominion, Richmond & Cape Breton East, along with sharply reduced Tory majorities in every seat they previously held (including Cape Breton East) and the loss of Northside - Westmount on a huge swing.

Allan MacMaster & Keith Bain (two long-standing MLAs) suffered much smaller swings against them than Murray Ryan & Brian Comer (the 2019 by-election winners); had Alfie MacLeod & Eddie Orrell, the two previous members, not ventured into federal politics I wonder what the vote on the Island would have looked like.


One question: you count 22 ridings in the Metro area while I count 21; am curious as to the one on which we differ. The ones I include are as follows:

Lib (11): Bedford Basin, Bedford South, Clayton Park West, Cole Harbour, Cole Harbour - Dartmouth, Fairview - Clayton Park, Halifax Armdale, Halifax Atlantic, Hammonds Plains - Lucasville, Preston, Timberlea - Prospect

PC (5): Dartmouth East, Eastern Passage, Sackville - Cobequid, Sackville - Uniacke, Waverley - Fall River - Beaver Bank

NDP (5): Dartmouth North, Dartmouth South, Halifax Chebucto, Halifax Citadel, Halifax Needham

Eastern Shore.
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Benjamin Frank
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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2021, 12:07:49 AM »
« Edited: August 23, 2021, 03:06:39 AM by Frank »

Final results

Mainland Nova Scotia (25 ridings)
Total votes: 188,442
P.C:              90,322, 47.9%
Liberal:         63,819, 33.9
NDP:            24,759, 13.1
Green:           4,552,   2.4
Other:           4,990

Halifax Regional Municipality (22 ridings)
Total votes: 170,758
Liberal:         66,510, 38.9%
NDP:            50,879, 29.8
P.C:              48,470, 28.4
Green:            4,418,  2.6
Other:               481

Cape Breton (8 ridings)
Total Votes: 61,851
Liberal:       24,698, 39.9%
P.C:            23,686, 38.3
NDP:          12,883, 20.8
Green:             72
Other:            512

Nova Scotia
Total Votes: 421,051
P.C:            162,478, 38.6%
Liberal:       155,027, 36.8
NDP:            88,521, 21.0
Green:           9,042,  2.1
Other:           5,983

Overall there were changes in the vote count in 32 ridings, but only significant additional votes in three ridings. Cole Harbour's turnout was not as bad as first thought.

Obviously, no seats changed hands from the preliminary vote count to the final vote count, but there were 3 changes that significantly affected the NDP that people here might be interested in.

1.The P.Cs caught up to a tie for third place with the NDP in Cumberland North.

2.The NDP moved ahead of the P.Cs in Preston.

3.The NDP share of the vote dropped in Cole Harbour to the point where it ended up lower than in the 2017 election.  Overall, the NDP share of the vote was up in 24 ridings over 2017 and down in 31.

In the end, there were just three ridings the NDP lost by less than 10%: the central Halifax ridings of Fairview-Clayton Park and Halifax Armdale and the Cape Breton riding of Glace Bay-Dominion which was obviously more of a vote for NDP candidate John Morgan than for the NDP.

There were 16 ridings that were won by less than 10% of the vote.  The P.Cs won 10 of these, 9 over the Liberals, and Glace Bay-Dominion was a three way race. The Liberals won the two mentioned above over the NDP, and the NDP won two over the Liberals (Cape Breton Centre-Whitney Pier and Halifax-Citadel-Sable Island.) The Liberals won 2 ridings over the P.Cs by less than 10%: Clare and Cole Harbour.)

That the P.Cs won nearly every riding they were competitive in speaks to their vote efficiency and how they won a majority government with the lowest share of the vote in at least recent Nova Scotia history.

Clear why the election result was a surprise, I don't think anybody would have predicted a majority P.C government given that they won the popular vote over the Liberals just 38.6-36.8%
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Benjamin Frank
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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2021, 11:10:52 PM »
« Edited: August 31, 2021, 01:13:09 PM by Frank »

I know that you've all you following this thread have been waiting on baited breath, unable to sleep, for Frank's cabinet prediction.  Okay, none of you have, but you all should have!


I don't think this will be completely correct as I don't think the cabinet will actually be this large or that these will be all actual ministries.

1.Premier/Federal-Provincial Relations, Tim Houston
2.Finance, Allan MacMaster
3.Economic Development and Trade, Steve Craig
4.Tourism, Small Business and Culture, Trevor Boudreau
5.Labour, Immigration and Citizenship, Kim Masland
6.Natural Resources and Forestry, Tory Rushton
7.Energy and Mines, Keith Bains
8.Agriculture, Fisheries and Aquaculture, John Lohr
9.Environment, Barbara Adams
10.Transportation and Infrastructure, Karla MacFarlane
11.Service Nova Scotia, Brian Wong
12.Children and Family Development, Jill Besler
13.Social Development and Housing, Larry Harrison
14.Education, Susan Corkum Greek
15.Advanced Education and Training, Colton LeBlanc
16.Health, Tim Halman
17.Municiptal Affairs, Brad Johns
18.Indigenous Relations, Michelle Thompson
19.Justice and Public Safety, Becky Durham

Speaker, Pat Dunn
Whip, Dave Ritcey
Caucus Chair, Tom Taggart

My track record is to get a lot of the names right (though far from all) for getting into the cabinet, but to get them in the wrong positions.

Pat Dunn is the only P.C MLA to have previously served in cabinet, all be it in a fairly junior ministry (health promotion and protection) but I think he loses out in Pictou based on the numbers game.

Keith Bain is the only other P.C MLA to have been on the government benches, but he was, I believe, the Deputy Speaker at the time.

Part of the problem with forming a cabinet taking gender into consideration is that this is the gender breakdown of the P.C MLAs

Mainland: 12 men, 8 women
Halifax: 5 men, 1 woman
Cape Breton, 5 men

So, providing representation for Halifax and Cape Breton in the cabinet makes it harder to appoint more women to the cabinet.

(In addition to the 9 women in the P.C caucus, there are 5 women in the Liberal caucus, 5 in the NDP caucus and the one independent, so 20 of the 55 MLAs are women.)

There are a couple mistakes here
1.Her name is Becky Druhan, not Becky Durham, I regret the error.

2.I left Cape Breton incumbent MLA Brian Comer out of the cabinet.  I will not take full responsibility for this and want to complain about it a bit.  

First, the Nova Scotia Progressive Conservative candidate website only mentioned him as a 'registered nurse in mental health and addictions' and did not mention that he had been an MLA first elected in a by-election in 2019.  What gives?

Second, because the riding boundaries had changed, wiki listed Cape Breton East as a 'new riding' at the time and did not mention that Brian Comer was an incumbent MLA. Although his name was clickable in wiki, I did not notice that.

Also, apparently Premier Tim Houston has promised to create a new ministry for Mental Health and Addictions.  

So, these are my final predictions

1.Premier/Federal-Provincial Relations, Tim Houston
2.Finance, Allan MacMaster
3.Economic Development and Trade, Steve Craig
4.Tourism, Small Business and Culture, Jill Balser
5.Labour, Immigration and Citizenship, Kim Masland
6.Natural Resources and Forestry, Tory Rushton
7.Energy and Mines, Keith Bains
8.Agriculture, Fisheries and Aquaculture, John Lohr
9.Environment, Barbara Adams
10.Transportation and Infrastructure, Karla MacFarlane
11.Service Nova Scotia, Brian Wong
12.Children, Families and Social Development, Larry Harrison
13.Education, Susan Corkum Greek
14.Advanced Education and Training, Colton LeBlanc
15.Health, Tim Halman
16.Mental Health and Addictions, Brian Comer
17.Municiptal Affairs and Housing, Brad Johns
18.Indigenous Relations, Michelle Thompson
19.Justice and Public Safety, Becky Druhan

Apparently Tim Houston has also indicated that he wants gender parity in the cabinet and there are 9 women MLAs and that the cabinet will contain between 15-18 members, but I'm not sure which incumbent male MLAs to drop, so this is my final prediction.  

In terms of a smaller cabinet, I could see Tourism and Small Business combined with Economic Development and Trade, Natural Resources and Forestry combined with Energy and Mines, Labour and Immigration combined with Advanced Education and Training (Nova Scotia is known for its world class universities, so I gather they're also used for immigration purposes. Or, if not for immigration purposes, at least for bringing in foreign students.)  I would also not be surprised if the Premier took on Indigenous Relations as well.
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