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compucomp
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« on: May 05, 2021, 10:22:13 AM »

It's a good thing that during the Civil War, Copperheads, like the ones on this thread supporting secession, were placed under federal surveillance and in many cases arrested.
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2021, 11:59:39 AM »

I don't support any sort of right to self-determination. Sometimes a separatist movement would have a good impact, sometimes it wouldn't, each should be judged on its own merits. I have no investment in the continued existence of the United States as it currently stands, although, by coincidence, most possible separatist movements in the United States would be undesirable at the present juncture due to our main opposition party being explicitly fascist. If any red state wanted to secede, that would be a bad thing worth opposing because the regime that would exist there would no doubt be a horrifying apartheid state, but if a majority of say, Hawaii, wanted to secede I see no reason to obstruct their wishes

Compromising the territorial integrity of the United States will only leave the North American continent vulnerable to foreign fascist regimes, ie the present government of the People’s Republic of China, whose existence and legitimating myths are predicated upon the supremacy of a particular racial group. The United States is unlike this, due to its professed adherence to enlightenment ideals, which originally emerged in the context of the European Renaissance.


This is an uncalled-for smear against China and totally wrong. There is absolutely no universe where China would support the American right wing, whose attitudes on China range from a desire to cut off trade, like Trump, to a desire for war, like John Bolton. The most likely Chinese intervention in the US would be to protect a California Bear Flag Republic or West Coast Republic which had declared independence from a fascist-controlled US government.

If you want to look for a foreign enemy, look no further than Russia, which has a track record of promoting far-right reactionary movements in many Western countries. Arguably the US has a case to go to war against Russia for its actions in 2016.
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