DeSantis bans lab grown meat in Florida

[Ancestral Republican]

This guy has done nothing but pander to culture war freaks and conspiracy theorists for most of his tenure, while his state is falling apart at the seams.

[Ancestral Republican]

The guy married to a Brazilian woman stands with the ranchers. Very nice.

[Ancestral Republican]

This is overreach and should be struck down. Even products that present real health risks (cigarettes, alcohol) cannot be banned so it's hard to see how lab grown meat being banned stands up.

Yeh, came here to say I don't see how this survives a court challenge.

What's the legal basis for the law? Virtue Signaling To Your Base is not a reason any rational jurist is going to accept for outlawing some private company growing meat in a lab and selling it to private citizens on the free market.

What's there to challenge? Conservative judges believe that (red) states have the right to ban any and all behavior that conservatives don't like.

The sudden realization by liberals that government is not allowed to regulate food of all things appears quite ridiculous, LOL

Banning random, irrelevant stuff purely because conservative commentators don't like it isn't a regulation I respect. He even admitted in his stupid Twitter public statement that this is being done because he thinks Jews are going to make him eat bugs.

You don't have to respect it and neither do I, you still have to craft an argument for why its unconstitutional.

"Craft an argument for why it's unconstitutional" lmao. That is not how the law works. Other way around.
Florida's lawyers will now get to waste time and taxpayer money showing in court what government interest they think is served by banning this, only to be slapped down immediately.
It's one thing to ban cigarettes. It's another thing to ban FDA approved food products.

[Ancestral Republican]

This is overreach and should be struck down. Even products that present real health risks (cigarettes, alcohol) cannot be banned so it's hard to see how lab grown meat being banned stands up.

Yeh, came here to say I don't see how this survives a court challenge.

What's the legal basis for the law? Virtue Signaling To Your Base is not a reason any rational jurist is going to accept for outlawing some private company growing meat in a lab and selling it to private citizens on the free market.

What's there to challenge? Conservative judges believe that (red) states have the right to ban any and all behavior that conservatives don't like.

The sudden realization by liberals that government is not allowed to regulate food of all things appears quite ridiculous, LOL

But there’s no rational explanation for this specific regulation. “Some people don’t like it and think it’s icky” is not a good reason to ban it.

There is no rational reason for very many regulations, especially in the agriculture sector.  This rule is more about protecting Florida's poultry and seafood industries than anything else.

So why haven't they banned meat from other states?

[Ancestral Republican]

This is overreach and should be struck down. Even products that present real health risks (cigarettes, alcohol) cannot be banned so it's hard to see how lab grown meat being banned stands up.

Yeh, came here to say I don't see how this survives a court challenge.

What's the legal basis for the law? Virtue Signaling To Your Base is not a reason any rational jurist is going to accept for outlawing some private company growing meat in a lab and selling it to private citizens on the free market.

What's there to challenge? Conservative judges believe that (red) states have the right to ban any and all behavior that conservatives don't like.

The sudden realization by liberals that government is not allowed to regulate food of all things appears quite ridiculous, LOL

Banning random, irrelevant stuff purely because conservative commentators don't like it isn't a regulation I respect. He even admitted in his stupid Twitter public statement that this is being done because he thinks Jews are going to make him eat bugs.

You don't have to respect it and neither do I, you still have to craft an argument for why its unconstitutional.

"Craft an argument for why it's unconstitutional" lmao. That is not how the law works. Other way around.
Florida's lawyers will now get to waste time and taxpayer money showing in court what government interest they think is served by banning this, only to be slapped down immediately.
It's one thing to ban cigarettes. It's another thing to ban FDA approved food products.

They find it unethical just like California voters found crowded pig farms unethical
They want to protect farmers.

All these reasons are poor reasons but certainly not poor enough for the courts to interfere in the law of a state.

No, again, that's not how law works. The pig farm thing survived because the State of California was able to make the case that the law was backed by a compelling interest in public health and animal welfare.
I'm trying to understand what Florida could even invoke to make a similar argument, and I can't come up with anything. They could try to say that lab grown meat is less safe but they don't have any evidence to back that up. "Protecting farmers" isn't going to hold up because as I told Del Tachi, they haven't banned meat from other states that would threaten Florida farmers, and you're then flirting with unconstitutional interference in interstate commerce.

[Ancestral Republican]

This is overreach and should be struck down. Even products that present real health risks (cigarettes, alcohol) cannot be banned so it's hard to see how lab grown meat being banned stands up.

Yeh, came here to say I don't see how this survives a court challenge.

What's the legal basis for the law? Virtue Signaling To Your Base is not a reason any rational jurist is going to accept for outlawing some private company growing meat in a lab and selling it to private citizens on the free market.

What's there to challenge? Conservative judges believe that (red) states have the right to ban any and all behavior that conservatives don't like.

The sudden realization by liberals that government is not allowed to regulate food of all things appears quite ridiculous, LOL

But there’s no rational explanation for this specific regulation. “Some people don’t like it and think it’s icky” is not a good reason to ban it.

There is no rational reason for very many regulations, especially in the agriculture sector.  This rule is more about protecting Florida's poultry and seafood industries than anything else.

So why haven't they banned meat from other states?

Because it's unconstitutional for States to levy taxes or duties on imports or exports from other States.  But it's perfectly legal for States to regulate how food is grown/sold within their borders, except when Congress has explicitly pre-empted it by using their commerce clause authority. California just recently banned certain artificial food colorings and additives, despite no scientific evidence they are dangerous to human health, for example.

Bans on lab-grown meat are to protect traditional livestock producers from unfair competition. Producers of "frankenmeat" do not exist under the same regulatory burdens as traditional farmers, which gives them an unfair advantage.  States (not just FL, but also AZ and AR) are are moving to ban artificial meat after the USDA recently approved the first two companies to sell "cell-cultivated" chicken to U.S. consumers.  Shrinking the market for these foods is a preemptive strategy to protect jobs in the farming industry.

That's all well and good (if bad-faith, knowing what we know about DeSantis and going off the announcement tweet) but this is very, very unlikely to hold up in court.

[Ancestral Republican]

This is overreach and should be struck down. Even products that present real health risks (cigarettes, alcohol) cannot be banned so it's hard to see how lab grown meat being banned stands up.

Yeh, came here to say I don't see how this survives a court challenge.

What's the legal basis for the law? Virtue Signaling To Your Base is not a reason any rational jurist is going to accept for outlawing some private company growing meat in a lab and selling it to private citizens on the free market.

What's there to challenge? Conservative judges believe that (red) states have the right to ban any and all behavior that conservatives don't like.

The sudden realization by liberals that government is not allowed to regulate food of all things appears quite ridiculous, LOL

Banning random, irrelevant stuff purely because conservative commentators don't like it isn't a regulation I respect. He even admitted in his stupid Twitter public statement that this is being done because he thinks Jews are going to make him eat bugs.

You don't have to respect it and neither do I, you still have to craft an argument for why its unconstitutional.

"Craft an argument for why it's unconstitutional" lmao. That is not how the law works. Other way around.
Florida's lawyers will now get to waste time and taxpayer money showing in court what government interest they think is served by banning this, only to be slapped down immediately.
It's one thing to ban cigarettes. It's another thing to ban FDA approved food products.

That is in fact how the law works. Federal laws have to be tied to a specific enumerated power in order to be Constitutional. State laws do not, as the states have general police powers (aside from certain things specifically prohibited of the states in the Constitution). So the party challenging the law would indeed bear the burden of arguing that the law is unconstitutional, not the other way around.

What I think you’re getting at is “rational basis review,” meaning a law does have to be rationally related to some government interest. But that’s an extremely low bar to clear. The reason doesn’t have to be a very good reason.

No lmao. As I said in a previous comment I have a hard time picturing what argument Florida could even put forth as their weak justification for this. "Protecting farmers" is not going to cut it. Otherwise why not just ban non-meat products altogether.