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Alcibiades
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« on: August 31, 2020, 03:43:26 PM »

This was very much the traditional historiographical view, but it has been challenged in recent years as imposing a backwards reading of history. I would personally lean towards ‘no’, as at one point in the second half of the 20s things were looking up, and the Republic was arguably the victim of unfortunate circumstances.
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2020, 04:18:57 PM »

After the depression? Yes. Before the depression no not at all.

But after the depression it was going to be the Nazis, the KPD, or a monarchical restoration. The Republic wasn't going to survive.

The Depression started to lift right after Hitler took office. It is possible that if it hadn’t, he wouldn’t have survived. Hindenburg gave Hitler the Chancellorship with the view to discrediting him as he thought he would fail badly in the role.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2020, 03:44:11 AM »

Given a large percentage of Germans did not support the Republic at any point, I wouldn't say they were doomed, but it was very difficult for them to survive.

True, but during initially the majority did support the Republic, or at any rate voted for parties which did.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2020, 07:12:49 AM »

This was very much the traditional historiographical view, but it has been challenged in recent years as imposing a backwards reading of history.

Are you referring to the Sonderweg thesis? True that that's been challenged - broadly speaking discredited actually, though still regarded as important and foundational to the historiography despite that - but historians who take a bullish view of the Republic's theoretical prospects at its foundation are still rather rare. And rightly so: what happened, happened; there is no ought in history, only did.

My understanding is that Peukert’s The Crisis Years of Classical Modernity has been enormously influential upon the current generation of historians and forced a re-evaluation of how successful Weimar actually was, especially during 1924-29, the “Golden Years”, as well as discrediting the thesis of “a republic without republicans”. But yes, there are probably still many who are far more negative about the Republic’s chances.

As for your point about hypotheticals in history, viewing everything as a series of inevitabilities is a very reductionist view, and asking about whether the Republic was doomed is not so much an exercise in alternate history as an attempt to understand its history as those who were there saw it; after all, it is they who make all history. To quote from Anthony McElligot’s volume on Weimar, published in 2009:

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The idea of a doomed republic is difficult to shake off, even among a new generation of younger scholars. There is hardly a title without some reference to the impending disaster awaiting the republic and which places the republican experience firmly in the antechamber of the Third Reich. This approach to the republic continues to permeate secondary school curricula and still invades university lecture halls. And yet the picture is problematic, not least for the obvious reason that as historians we are trained not to read history backwards and yet we seem prepared to lapse when it comes to the Weimar Republic. For what these histories have in common is that they look back from the vantage point of ‘1933’. But to approach the history of Weimar Germany from this perspective in order to ask: ‘How was Hitler possible?’ and: ‘Was the Nazi “seizure of power” avoidable?’ skews our historical vision, as the German historian Eberhard Kolb has noted, and it militates against a nuanced understanding of the complex interplay of forces that shaped and reshaped the republic from its beginning. The fact is, in 1918 the republic’s future was open and its history yet to be determined; Hitler was neither its predestined nor its obvious conclusion. Weimar’s history, therefore, should not be told through this lens alone.
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2020, 11:51:24 AM »

After the depression? Yes. Before the depression no not at all.

But after the depression it was going to be the Nazis, the KPD, or a monarchical restoration. The Republic wasn't going to survive.

The Depression started to lift right after Hitler took office. It is possible that if it hadn’t, he wouldn’t have survived. Hindenburg gave Hitler the Chancellorship with the view to discrediting him as he thought he would fail badly in the role.
Another what if:
What if those among the German elites and Hindenburg's camarilla that wanted to keep out Hitler had been successful for another few months and the German Reich had remained in the semi-authoritarian limbo until after the depression started to lift?
Would there have been some kind of democratic recovery?

I think quite possibly. History hinges on so many moments big and small which could have gone either way, and I think it is important people recognise just how much of history is down to chance and dumb luck.
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