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SUSAN CRUSHBONE
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« on: March 05, 2015, 07:00:00 PM »

I have a question for the gay marriage boosters on this forum.

If you think that the 14th amendment forbids consideration of gender differences when issuing marriage licenses, why do you think segregating bathroom facilities is perfectly lawful?

it shouldn't be. unfortunately, society hasn't advanced that far yet.
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2015, 07:45:16 PM »

CJK, Race is treated with strict scrutiny, sex is not.  And, it's different.  A black woman and a white woman are not different in any relevant way such as to justify segregated bathrooms.  Men and Women are different.  Everyone agrees on that.  You're wrong.  And, your analogy doesn't work.

Well, in 1954 "everybody agreed" blacks and whites were different. At a bear minimum blacks had statistically vastly higher rates of committing violent crime than whites (and still do).

But get this... I actually AGREE with you. Men and women are different. So why do you fail to apply that logic to same sex marriage?


Because the right to marriage is a profoundly important right, and the choice of who you marry is intensely personal. For the government to deny any person that right is to mark them as inferior to other people. That far outweighs the fact that you might be made uncomfortable by gay marriage. Nothing bad will happen to you if the gay couple down the street gets married.

The right to choose where you go to the bathroom when not at home? Meh. Not as important.

Everybody is allowed to marry so long as it is the opposite sex.

a woman is allowed to marry soren bowie but a man isn't. how is that equal?

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and once again, that would be a good thing.
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2015, 08:59:23 AM »

Let's take my analogy to a ridiculous extreme: desegregating public showers. Right now you, me, and everybody else on the planet agrees that this would cause the world to end. Just like the vast majority of the southern whites thought that the world would end if racial segregation was abolished and the vast majority of people believed that gays were sick freaks. Yet I've personally seen no scientific evidence to substantiate this.

If society and media relentlessly portrayed such showers as being a routine, mundane manner instead of a taboo sexual fantasy and emphasized that males acting on their instincts were low class scum, you could plausibly argue that the situation would be no different than women wearing skimpy and provocative clothing in our everyday lives. In 1900 bear arms were considered to be utterly scandalous, and modern bikinis simply unimaginable. The only countries today that actually protect women in this regard are Muslim.

This is the door you are opening by mindlessly cheering the end of thousands of years of gender restrictions on marriage. Nobody in the 1960s civil rights movement had the faintest idea that their activities would later be used to justify homosexual marriage.


once again, there would be literally nothing wrong with this. why are you fearmongering about it?
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2015, 08:42:24 AM »

In what state/city will you get in serious trouble if you go into the "wrong" restroom, as long as all you do is use the bathroom and leave?

several republican states are currently trying to institute such laws (eg http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-tampa/state-bill-could-force-transgender-people-to-show-id-before-entering-public-restroom)
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