The Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

If you're referencing locking the Deluge, then read my post in the Goldmine:

I'm doubled over at this idea that Inks was going to bow to the very first hint of public displeasure as if he always does that.

There's no precedent for what I did here.  What I did was not an action out of a Terms of Service moderation, but merely what I understood to be unofficial forum precedent.  Once I would've realized that my understanding of how the goldmine worked wasn't the same as everyone else's, I would've undone what I did, since I wasn't acted under the TOS, but acting under the rules that had previously guided the goldmines.

Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant, because I know I'm right, since you can't know my thought process.

I didn't lock the Institute because I thouht it violated the TOS.  I deleted a page worth of TOS violations and thought that at that point, the thread had run its course and it was time for a new one.

In locking the Deluge, it was my belief at the time that it should be permanently locked.

Why would I think people would flip out over a new comedy goldmine being started?

That's entirely beside the point. What matters is that you seem to think that a longstanding forum institution (the Deluge bzw. the Institute) can be locked on no other grounds than "it was getting annoying to moderate." If you think there is too much material to moderate, step down and let someone else be moderator. It's that simple.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

If you're referencing locking the Deluge, then read my post in the Goldmine:

I'm doubled over at this idea that Inks was going to bow to the very first hint of public displeasure as if he always does that.

There's no precedent for what I did here.  What I did was not an action out of a Terms of Service moderation, but merely what I understood to be unofficial forum precedent.  Once I would've realized that my understanding of how the goldmine worked wasn't the same as everyone else's, I would've undone what I did, since I wasn't acted under the TOS, but acting under the rules that had previously guided the goldmines.

Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant, because I know I'm right, since you can't know my thought process.

I didn't lock the Institute because I thouht it violated the TOS.  I deleted a page worth of TOS violations and thought that at that point, the thread had run its course and it was time for a new one.

In locking the Deluge, it was my belief at the time that it should be permanently locked.

Why would I think people would flip out over a new comedy goldmine being started?

That's entirely beside the point. What matters is that you seem to think that a longstanding forum institution (the Deluge bzw. the Institute) can be locked on no other grounds than "it was getting annoying to moderate." If you think there is too much material to moderate, step down and let someone else be moderator. It's that simple.

I didn't simply close it because it was getting annoying to moderate.  I closed it because it was getting annoying to moderate AND because when fights like these break out in previous Goldmines, that's the point that a new one starts.

Without that second half of the sentence, I wouldn't have locked the thread, and that's what you're not understanding.

Inks's use of the "Atlas tradition" argument is not only wrong, but also insincere and self-contradictory:

8/6/24.

Is this better, O Great and Powerful Inks?

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Post Deleted for Inappropriate with 10 (out of 10) infraction points

Really?

Post Deleted for Inappropriate with 10 (out of 10) infraction points


Stating what you are infracted for is now worth ten points... If this isn't moderator tyranny, I don't know what is.

Yeah... stating what you're infracted for with a quote defeats the purpose of deleting and infracting the post.  If I let you repost it, it's essentially just letting you post it.  If you truly wanted to appeal the points, you could've PMed me.

Sorry, not buying it.
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=153941.0
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=153010.0
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=150281.0
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=148047.0
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=148745.0

As expected, Inks completely ignores the fact that his argument has been torn to shreds.

It's 4th of July weekend - I'm working double shifts at work with the exception of today.  My apologies that I didn't make responding to your strawman post a priority.
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I thought I had seen you post in between those two times.
[EDIT] That's right, you did.

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Are these better?
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=119319.msg3303637#msg3303637
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=119319.msg3085130#msg3085130

Plus dozens more that don't quote the infracted post but state exactly what it was about.
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And this.
By a moderator, no less.

It is Atlas tradition to post in that thread the post you were infracted for.
Evidently Inks only follows "Atlas tradition" when it suits him.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

The issue is people taking things far too fycking seriously.

Hi, Al! Have you met Inks? He's one of your fellow moderators...

Phil, you're accusing Inks of taking this too seriously. Yet, at the same time, you started two threads, sent PMs here and on FB, replied dozens of times and proclaimed a holy crusade.

Isn't that a little schizophrenic?

Kal, if ever I needed an example of the pot calling the kettle black...

Again, if you want to say I care too much about it, do yourself a favor and say it like one time. You're a little too bent on saying how much I supposedly care.

P.S. - Others have messaged and started threads about the recent events so I'm glad I'm just a target of one of your bipolar fits (again). See you in like a week or so when you're foaming at the mouth about someone else.

Fighting each other while we should be fighting the cause of the whole fracas -- namely, Inks -- is the worst possible thing we could be doing right now.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Kal, if ever I needed an example of the pot calling the kettle black...

Again, if you want to say I care too much about it, do yourself a favor and say it like one time. You're a little too bent on saying how much I supposedly care.

P.S. - Others have messaged and started threads about the recent events so I'm glad I'm just a target of one of your bipolar fits (again). See you in like a week or so when you're foaming at the mouth about someone else.

Stay classy, Phil.

Badger, I am positively in awe at this magnificent demonstration of your skill with retorts.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

IOW, you didn't bother to read the last three links.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Badger -- "frothing overly-loquacious screed", referring to a Santorum supporter? I'm fairly certain those jokes are infractible.

IOW, you didn't bother to read the last three links.

What links are you referencing?  I skimmed the whole thing... when you post that long of an argument, yeah, I'm going to skim it.  So what exactly is your obscure argument here?

Oh, I see what you're saying now... 3 links were on my board.  Well, since unfortunately I'm not omniscient anymore, so I don't know of EVERYTHING posted on my boards.  Dude... I hadn't seen the posts before you brought it up.  Did you ever think of that?  You made that post in the middle of the week of Fourth of July, so I was working double shifts all week.  I never saw your response.  Once my recusal period is over, I'll make sure I go back and remove them.  Thank you for assisting me in my moderation duties.

You dismissed the other examples, so I provided more fitting ones.
And I did bring it up again in the same thread 1-1/2 months later, when it was duly ignored again.

But then, this argument wasn't meant to be about your previous failures as moderator, but about your current failure as a moderator.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

As I said, I honestly didn't see it when you posted it in July - that week is a hectic work week where I work, and I was working a lot.  I'm not ignoring it now, I WILL delete those posts once my recusal time is up.  Thank you for bringing those to my attention.  I don't know what else to tell you... give yourself a pat on the back for helping me do my job?

You're reinforcing my point -- one of the main purposes of that thread was to share which posts one was infracted for.

The same way that the main purpose of the old Deluge was to post absurd and/or ignorant posts.

In both cases, you decided you didn't like this purpose and purged bzw. locked the thread.

So your argument that the purpose of the MANIC is to be a short-lived/easily-searchable comedy goldmine devoid of argument is hollow.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

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[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

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[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

I do not need to do this. I am voting for one of His followers and chosen representatives on Earth over the follower of a false prophet and false church and his atheist-worshipping running mate.

Trying way too hard.

Surely there are politicians you agree with less, considering you and Romney share that whole foreign policy hawk thing

Oh definitely.  My hatred for Romney is at a personal level.  I think he is human scum, the crystallized scum that lines the toilet bowl.

Perhaps, but unlike what I think about Paul Ryan, I don't want to punch Mitt Romney in the face.

Me neither. Neither of them, too.

Would feel like I'd never get the grease off my palm.

If you're worried about your palm, you'd be doing it wrong, anyway.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Jesus Christ, both of you. Not the point of the thread.

This, on the other hand...

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

God bless the staff of Obama's 300+ Ohio offices, who are indeed serving the Lord and are assisting us in a victory to help us take America for Jesus Christ.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

One of the basic rules of the internet is to judge a person based on their sig. Since your sig is stupid and wrong, that means you as a person are stupid and wrong.

No, they're not correlated.

You would say that...

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Massive FF.

Context.

I don't get it...?

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Massive FF.

Context.

I don't get it...?

He's being a Republican hack; saying the guy's a massive FF because, you know, he's a Republican (he was also a Progressive, a supporter of La Follette, an isolationist, passed the Norris-La Guardia Act, very pro-New Deal, and eventually left the Republicans; all things Oldies, so far as I know, doesn't agree with).

Of course it's funny that this is coming from Oldiesfreak, but it's hardly absurd or ign-- oh.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

I don't think we can help them. These are people who can't even get themselves a job, who rallied en masse behind Obama to the point of possibly stealing the election through voter fraud, who are frankly dysfunctional. What help can be given that might fix them?

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

This was worth a quadruple post?!

If you believe that non mass transit is cheap, I have a $6.3 billion half of a bay bridge to sell you.

They built the Golden Gate Bridge for $1.2 billion of today's dollars.

THAT'S it?!? Your 'triumphant riposte'?

Laughable. Your reputation for inherent dishonesty goes unbesmearched.

I am sorry that you don't know what's in your own best interest.

My 'own best interests'? Seriously, what the f%$k are you talking about? I honestly have no clue.

You've now added 'incomprehensible' to 'dishonest' among your list of discriptive adjectives.

I presumed that you were a productive citizen. I stand corrected. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

And Republicans are even worse with defense spending. Pick your poison, I guess. And it doesn't sound like my chumps (here in WA) are nearly as bad. But we're having trouble with the new 520 bridge, so maybe I shouldn't speak so soon. Though we don't know who is at fault yet, and it's looking more like a company cutting corners to save money than unions at this point.

That would be a nice theory that is disproven by your chumps current level of defense spending.

New infrastructure helps the economy by merely existing.

This is why the OP is falsely premised. Government-funded mass transit almost never turns a profit and usually operates at a substantial loss per passenger, but heavy subsidies are justified because of the substantial positive externalities associated with these services. It's something that an unmanaged market that doesn't account for public benefits is totally unequipped to provide.

This does not logically lead to heavily overpaying for such product in order to transfer money to your union friends.

Here are a few where I feel out of the mainstream:

1. Opposing abortion without exception for rape or incest (it exploits women by suggesting that men can sexually abuse them without any non-legal consequences.)
2. Ban gay marriage but allow civil unions with equal benefits (as well as possibly some sort of union for polygamy, etc.)
3. Keep the minimum wage the same (no increases or decreases--I believe in a fair and decent wage, but if it's too high it hurts growth and can lead to job losses)
4. Removing Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid from government control, but establishing an emergency fund to protect them in a crisis

I'm sure I could think of others, but this is a partial list.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Ok, Phil, here's what I don't get. The politicians you choose as your favorites, like Berlusconi and Santorum, are known for being bullies who roll over their opponents. Take a lesson from people like krazen and Sam Spade–you need to own that this is your preference. If you talk about how great someone like Santorum or Berlusconi is, when they pull stunts like this, then you need to be triumphalist and not complain that people aren't being fair to the poor guy. Santorum pounds his adversaries into the dust, like in this case - he doesn't play the victim himself. People aren't going to have sympathy that his critics are "mean" to him after he torpedoed a treaty defending the rights of the disabled. He did this, you should take pride or call out people who disagree with him for being weak. Not many people have a second act like Santorum did - Rod Grams and Conrad Burns lost in the same election and they're footnotes to history. Santorum's out killing treaties in the Senate and running for President as not-Romney.

I already know your response to this, but I don't care--if you think jerks make the best elected officials, then recognize that jerks can't be victims. Harry Reid is a jerk who takes no prisoners, and there's not a soul who would be taken seriously for saying "stop being mean to Harry!"

about time someone called him out on it.

Yeah, I tip my hat to Brittain33 for that post.

Yes, excellent post if you ignore some of the glaring factual inaccuracies! When pointed out to him, he didn't bother to respond. Instead, he just posted a link to anothe article that bashed Santorum. Looks like someone knows they were wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. Won't be the last.

I'm also not totally convinced that brittain and memphis aren't the same person.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

how do people feel about a "no arguing in the Deluge" rule (like the Comedy Goldmine) is...or does awkward self-defense just add to this thread's charms?

Strongly endorse. The "good thing you're posting directly into the Deluge" stuff is awful.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=166425.0

This does not qualify. That someone would put it here is more or less proving his point.

Israel-haters seldom let facts get in the way of their hysteria.

Ben is right, for a sufficiently strict definition of "Israel-haters."

A good half or so of this thread definitely belongs here, though.

Oh, and this:

Come on, man... even I admit when I'm wrong.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Gun owners should have to register with the local police and go home to home in their neighborhood informing their neighbors that they are gun owners. They should also not be able to live near schools.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

All this whining is bizarre. Giving away the farm to the 47ers hasn't been a priority in Georgia even back to the days of Roy Barnes.

New record for post most densely packed with idiocy?

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Sbane is from California and therefore understandably has a slanted opinion on public unions.

Isn't sbane from Tennessee?

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Sbane is from California and therefore understandably has a slanted opinion on public unions.

Isn't sbane from Tennessee?

No.

He used to have an I-TN avatar, I think…

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Ah, that would make sense.