Mapping American Four-Quadrant Political Ideology

[Battista Minola 1616]

Interesting.  Not sure that I totally buy the size of the commutarian group- and I'm not a huge fan of 2 axis charts.  Sometimes they have an agenda (e.g. the political compass trying to say that the Democrats are conservative or libertarian organizations trying to push people into the bottom right), but regardless, they are not super descriptive for an ideology.

The part I really do find interesting is that this suggests that conservatism as an ideology is actually rooted in the suburbs and is not inversly correlated to education at all.  I've been saying that for a long time.  I imagine that the same actually applies for the backbone of religious-based social conservative movements.  Even if it's not everybody in well-off suburbs, movements like these tend to have their most fervent support in suburbs.  For example, I guarantee you that evangelicals who actually don't drink, save themselves for marriage, avoid cursing, and the like come from a lot less rural and "white working class" backgrounds than a lot of people assume.

you think suburbanites tend to be more traditionalist than those in rural areas?

I was largely talking about the sort of ideological "movement conservatism" and the super churchy parts of the religious right.  Even if those groups aren't the majority of the suburbs (maybe with the exception of my suburb of Williamson County), they are disproportionately found in suburbs.

Another example of this that I've talked about is that (per FOX News's 2018 voter analysis), college educated white evangelicals and non-college white evangelicals vote virtually identically.  However, that covers up major differences between the two groups.  The types of super personally socially conservative things are usually found in more upper-middle class demographics (who almost have political views vaguely similar to Mormons, albeit not quite as skeptical of Trump), while more downscale evangelicals tend to have more of a sort of cultural conservatism.  This is probably more apparent in Republican primaries (i.e. Cruz/Rubio vs. Trump, in TN Lee vs. Black and Sethi vs. Hagerty).

Not truly related, but I'd like to ask you if you know personally anyone in the (tiny) minority of college-educated White evangelicals who vote Democratic and if so what is generally their political philosophy or ideology.

[Battista Minola 1616]

Interesting.  Not sure that I totally buy the size of the commutarian group- and I'm not a huge fan of 2 axis charts.  Sometimes they have an agenda (e.g. the political compass trying to say that the Democrats are conservative or libertarian organizations trying to push people into the bottom right), but regardless, they are not super descriptive for an ideology.

The part I really do find interesting is that this suggests that conservatism as an ideology is actually rooted in the suburbs and is not inversly correlated to education at all.  I've been saying that for a long time.  I imagine that the same actually applies for the backbone of religious-based social conservative movements.  Even if it's not everybody in well-off suburbs, movements like these tend to have their most fervent support in suburbs.  For example, I guarantee you that evangelicals who actually don't drink, save themselves for marriage, avoid cursing, and the like come from a lot less rural and "white working class" backgrounds than a lot of people assume.

you think suburbanites tend to be more traditionalist than those in rural areas?

I was largely talking about the sort of ideological "movement conservatism" and the super churchy parts of the religious right.  Even if those groups aren't the majority of the suburbs (maybe with the exception of my suburb of Williamson County), they are disproportionately found in suburbs.

Another example of this that I've talked about is that (per FOX News's 2018 voter analysis), college educated white evangelicals and non-college white evangelicals vote virtually identically.  However, that covers up major differences between the two groups.  The types of super personally socially conservative things are usually found in more upper-middle class demographics (who almost have political views vaguely similar to Mormons, albeit not quite as skeptical of Trump), while more downscale evangelicals tend to have more of a sort of cultural conservatism.  This is probably more apparent in Republican primaries (i.e. Cruz/Rubio vs. Trump, in TN Lee vs. Black and Sethi vs. Hagerty).

Not truly related, but I'd like to ask you if you know personally anyone in the (tiny) minority of college-educated White evangelicals who vote Democratic and if so what is generally their political philosophy or ideology.

The most posting poster is one.

Really? BRTD? I thought he was "mainline".

[Battista Minola 1616]

Can you post the map based on the values issues/size of government version, if that's not a ton of work?

Sorry that it's taken me so long, but I finally fixed a really stupid issue that was plaguing this version. Here's the raw map:
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And the z-score map (more interesting):
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First map: The only non-red/non-blue area on the first map appears to be East Side Cleveland.

Second map: Within big city metros, red = where college-educated white people live [darker red = higher concentration of college whites], while green  = heavily nonwhite areas (Latino, Asian, and/or black).

Notably, the RGV and urbanized Florida are yellow, although the Cuban enclaves of Miami-Dade appear to be green?

No, in the first map there's a second green speck corresponding to central Birmingham. Obviously both are majority-Black urban areas, and in the second map you notice how basically all heavily Black urban and suburban areas are pretty green by z-score, but I wonder what would set out those two places in having an especially high share of "communitarians".