NC-SEN 2020: Tar Heel Tillis

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Cunningham is neither a "meh" nor a "star" recruit, he’s a generic Democrat who’s lucky that he’s running in a Democratic wave year.

So, Kay Hagan 2.0

I still think it's this seat's Helms Hex.

Watch Cunningham take down Tillis this year, and then lost to Madison Cawthorn in 2026.

And then Cawthorn looses to Dan McCready in 2032.

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https://twitter.com/nrsc/status/1298251503942209537?s=21
This is so awful lmao

bruh these guys aren’t even trying. It’s like they want to lose the Senate.

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From the debate today:

https://mobile.twitter.com/joebrunowsoc9/status/1308550733684518918?s=21

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Who cares lmao. This story will die by Sunday. Half of DC getting COVID is on the minds of most voters at the moment

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Lean D -> Tilt R.

L M A O.

Anyone who cares about this was already voting for Tillis. Cunningham sent some flirty texts, so what? This is a non-story.

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People actually still think Cunningham will lose because of this? LOL

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OK as Oklahoma! 

Well, Oklahoma is a s**thole so I'm glad you are agreeing that Donald Trump's actions are morally reprehensible and look forward to your endorsement of Joe Biden.

Joe Biden's position on abortion is morally reprehensible.

Kamala Harris's endorsement of continuing unrest in our streets is morally reprehensible, as is her position on abortion.

I'm voting for Trump and I'm asking others to.  The latter is something I didn't do in 2016.  

Anybody who votes for Trump is morally reprehensible.

Take that attitude into the real world and see what happens.  You'll find that there are a lot of decent and honorable people voting for Trump.  On the other hand, the overwhelming majority of folks looting, burning, and rioting over the past 5 months that vote are going to vote for Trump.

Name 10.

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OK as Oklahoma! 

Well, Oklahoma is a s**thole so I'm glad you are agreeing that Donald Trump's actions are morally reprehensible and look forward to your endorsement of Joe Biden.

Joe Biden's position on abortion is morally reprehensible.

Kamala Harris's endorsement of continuing unrest in our streets is morally reprehensible, as is her position on abortion.

I'm voting for Trump and I'm asking others to.  The latter is something I didn't do in 2016.  

Anybody who votes for Trump is morally reprehensible.

Take that attitude into the real world and see what happens.  You'll find that there are a lot of decent and honorable people voting for Trump.  On the other hand, the overwhelming majority of folks looting, burning, and rioting over the past 5 months that vote are going to vote for Trump.

Name 10.

1. A friend
2. A family member
3. Another family member
4. Somebody who has a PHD
5. A celebrity
6. Most Republicans in congress
7. A random person
8. Another random person
9. Fuzzy
10. SirWoodbury

Hope this helps

“Most Republicans in Congress” aren’t honorable.

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Congratulations to re-elected Senator Thom Tillis.

lmao

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This race just went from likely D to lean R, and anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves.

Are you being sarcastic. If not, you and I have a lot to discuss.

Discuss it with me because he’s right.

The texts were one thing but going totally silent and backing out of town halls gives off a horrible look. I’d be my last penny Tillis wins this race

Literally no one will change their votes over this. What Cunningham did wasn’t even that bad, this race was and remains Tilt D.

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This race just went from likely D to lean R, and anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves.

Are you being sarcastic. If not, you and I have a lot to discuss.

Discuss it with me because he’s right.

The texts were one thing but going totally silent and backing out of town halls gives off a horrible look. I’d be my last penny Tillis wins this race

Literally no one will change their votes over this. What Cunningham did wasn’t even that bad, this race was and remains Tilt D.

It’s constant front page news in the North Carolina.

It’ll change 5-6% of Cunningham votes which is enough frankly

“You see, I was going to vote for Cunningham because I don’t want to lose my healthcare,  but now that I’ve discovered that he had a affair with another woman (a personal issue that doesn’t affect me whatsoever) I have no choice but to vote for Tillis, someone who I disagree with on literary everything. My ideology or beliefs don’t really mean anything, this scandal is the only thing that I care about now”

- Cunningham voters, according to you.

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My head tells me not to worry about Cunningham's chances, but my gut worries about the Biden-Tillis suburbanite voter who will refuse to vote for Cunningham out a sense of smug moral superiority nevermind the consequences of their vote on healthcare, economic relief, and other issues.

There are very few if any of these people.

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“Vote for the cheater, not the beater”

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Honestly, the Democratic overconfidence is worrying me quite a bit.  No one here is acknowledging that Cunningham *could* lose and that suggests some denial.  That’s dangerous, 2016-type thinking.

Cunningham isn’t losing in a Biden+10 environment. And he likely isn’t going to run behind  him either. He’s up by about 5 points on average, maybe this will swing it by 1-2 and turn this into a 3-4 point race, but this “scandal” isn’t going to cause Tillis to make up 5-6 points. Not to mention that many ballots have already been casted. This race remains a tossup/Tilt D.

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Yeah, no one is celebrating adultery, morso making light of the fact that after all this, Cunningham is still on track to win and has suffered little to no damage. Cheating definitely isn’t a good thing but it’s quite comical to see absolutely nothing change after all the panicking and bed wetting over this whole scandal.

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That’s where you’re wrong.  Sometimes they do, but there also have to be lines you’re not willing to cross.  Otherwise, you’ll end up with a morally bankrupt megalomaniacal monster like McConnell. Having principles is vital; the trick is knowing which you need to be willing to compromise and when you have to rigidly stick to them.

McConnell is bad because he's a conservative, not because he disregards norms.

Norms are only as good as the policies they let you pass.

I'd love if we had a Democratic McConnell, he'd get sh*t done.

McConnell is bad for both reasons.  A Democratic McConnell would be a blight on our democracy.

A Democratic McConnell would be a dream. Imagine how much more effective and efficient Democrats would be in achieving our goals. I want our party leaders to fight hard for our priorities and that’s exactly what McConnell does for his party.

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That’s where you’re wrong.  Sometimes they do, but there also have to be lines you’re not willing to cross.  Otherwise, you’ll end up with a morally bankrupt megalomaniacal monster like McConnell. Having principles is vital; the trick is knowing which you need to be willing to compromise and when you have to rigidly stick to them.

McConnell is bad because he's a conservative, not because he disregards norms.

Norms are only as good as the policies they let you pass.

I'd love if we had a Democratic McConnell, he'd get sh*t done.

McConnell is bad for both reasons.  A Democratic McConnell would be a blight on our democracy.

A Democratic McConnell would be a dream. Imagine how much more effective and efficient Democrats would be in achieving our goals. I want our party leaders to fight hard for our priorities and that’s exactly what McConnell does for his party.

I don’t think a McConnel from any party is a good thing for America. They care more about gaining power and winning than doing what is right for the people. At least Schumer is a bit chiller than McConnel, and comes off as a nicer human overall, and same goes for Cunningham despite this whole incident.

Honestly, I disagree. The way McConnell has been doing things has worked so far the Republicans, (they’re the ones who are going to get 3 Supreme Court Justices after all) so why shouldn’t Democrats do the same? Being “nice” doesn’t get you anywhere or help you win anything. Trying to have the moral high ground and prove that you’re better than the other side is good and all but it doesn’t translate to success or political victory. If Democrats gave McConnell’s tactics a try, who knows, maybe we’ll start winning. And by the way, gaining power/winning and doing whats right for the people aren’t mutually exclusive nor is wanting to win a bad thing. If you want to enact policies that are good for and will help people, then you have to win, and you need actual power.

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I really don't see why this is anyone's business but Cunningham's and his wifes's. His personal life is irrelevant when it comes to being an effective senator.

Cunningham's horrible judgement, immorality, flagrant disregard for the impact his actions would have on the lives of others (including the lives of his own wife and children), and short-sighted stupidity are all extremely relevant when it comes to his ability or lack thereof to be an effective Senator.  

Still better than Tillis

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Here's a nuclear take on affairs:  They can actually help male politicians by making them seem sexy and desirable, especially if the male is good-looking and the affair is with a young, attractive woman.



Cal is a pretty good-looking guy, and Arlene Guzman Todd is smoking hot and 12 years younger than him (she's also a dead ringer for Nomiki Konst).  When voters see these texts of a young, attractive woman practically throwing herself at Cal and calling him incredibly sexy, that leaves a positive impression.  It says, this Cal guy isn't some boring, balding, late-40s generic D.  He's so desirable that pretty young married women find him irresistible.

The same was true for Bill Clinton.  The many affairs with younger women locked in the image of him as a lying, amoral cheater.  But they also created this work-hard play-hard image of Bill as a charismatic, sexy playboy.  And if we're being honest, people like that.  Especially guys, who would love to imagine themselves as a James Bond politician who brokers a peace treaty at 6 PM and has drinks with the ambassador's daughter at 9.

You really think there’s undecided voters who are looking for someone who cheated on their wife? No one thought Trump was being “sexy” or whatever when the Hollywood access tape was released, though it certainly didn’t hurt him all that much

A) Trump looks like a microwaved Peep.
B) Sexual assault is not the same as a consenting relationship between two historically sexy adults.

A) That’s mean. He has his own style, and you may not like it but that’s not nice
B) I’ve taken a lot of history classes and Cal Cunningham not Todd has ever come up. Also; pretty sure Cunningham’s wife and children didn’t consent to it.

Uhhhh....what? Your concerned about being “mean” to Trump? Why?