High School Boys are Trending Conservative

[DaleCooper]

Young men and women seem to be blaming their problems with the opposite sex on the political situation. I noticed this happening a few years ago when I was in college and it seems to have gotten a lot worse since then.

[DaleCooper]

There is honestly an easy way for progressives to fix this. If they emphasize the ways traditional gender roles hurt males, more males would be inclined to support feminist causes and thus identify as "liberal" without any loss of female support.

I've talked about this before (and been slandered as a misogynist for daring to suggest it, lol), but that's not going to work because progressives are too scared of endorsing anything resembling masculine behavior. All the progressive feminist types do is talk about how men aren't allowed to cry and need to be more emotional, but that is not how most men actually want to behave so it's never going to appeal to them.

[DaleCooper]

It should be noted also that the "Andrew Tate" people are not going to grow up and be part of any kind of coherent political movement, just like the people who worshiped alt-right Youtubers several years ago. These are the next generation of rapists and mass shooters. They'll never procreate or have relationships, unless they reform, because it is not possible for these people to appeal to women. It's a very concerning problem, but for reasons much more important than who they will vote for in 2028.

[DaleCooper]

It should be noted also that the "Andrew Tate" people are not going to grow up and be part of any kind of coherent political movement, just like the people who worshiped alt-right Youtubers several years ago. These are the next generation of rapists and mass shooters. They'll never procreate or have relationships, unless they reform, because it is not possible for these people to appeal to women. It's a very concerning problem, but for reasons much more important than who they will vote for in 2028.

No, the real solution is to even further polarize the situation by spreading rampant misinfo on Instagram/tiktok among predominantly younger game oriented audiences and create a hyper polarized and motivated bloc of voters to combat the alt right.

Bring on the gender war!

Remember that time you said that you were worried Republicans were going to arrest you for being liberal on Atlas? No one should be taking any of your advice on anything related to the internet.

Not to mention, your post doesn't make much sense. "No, the real solution . . ." implies that you're responding to my solution, but I didn't offer one. I just pointed out the problem as I see it. What are you even addressing here?

[DaleCooper]

It should be noted also that the "Andrew Tate" people are not going to grow up and be part of any kind of coherent political movement, just like the people who worshiped alt-right Youtubers several years ago. These are the next generation of rapists and mass shooters. They'll never procreate or have relationships, unless they reform, because it is not possible for these people to appeal to women. It's a very concerning problem, but for reasons much more important than who they will vote for in 2028.

No, the real solution is to even further polarize the situation by spreading rampant misinfo on Instagram/tiktok among predominantly younger game oriented audiences and create a hyper polarized and motivated bloc of voters to combat the alt right.

Bring on the gender war!

Remember that time you said that you were worried Republicans were going to arrest you for being liberal on Atlas? No one should be taking any of your advice on anything related to the internet.

Not to mention, your post doesn't make much sense. "No, the real solution . . ." implies that you're responding to my solution, but I didn't offer one. I just pointed out the problem as I see it. What are you even addressing here?

Lighten up man (and no I don’t mean weight wise since you would prolly assume so)

It's impossible to know when you are joking.

[DaleCooper]

Part of me thinks the #MeToo movement might have caused a surge of high school boys to start identifying as conservative. In some of their eyes, the movement might have been "anti-male". This might also explain why that number is decreasing as of late; with #MeToo dying, high school boys have fewer perceived gender-based reasons to oppose being "liberal".

Most of the 2010s was dominated by catastrophically terrible feminist messaging that was pushed heavily by the entertainment industry and most left-of-center political parties in the west. It was a big mistake.

[DaleCooper]

Part of me thinks the #MeToo movement might have caused a surge of high school boys to start identifying as conservative. In some of their eyes, the movement might have been "anti-male". This might also explain why that number is decreasing as of late; with #MeToo dying, high school boys have fewer perceived gender-based reasons to oppose being "liberal".

Most of the 2010s was dominated by catastrophically terrible feminist messaging that was pushed heavily by the entertainment industry and most left-of-center political parties in the west. It was a big mistake.

I say specifically the #MeToo movement because the data indicate there was a sharp decline of support for liberalism amongst high school boys from 2016 to 2018. The #MeToo movement started in 2017.

I get what you're saying. The MeToo movement in a lot of ways was the culmination of that terrible feminist messaging that I talked about.

[DaleCooper]

Part of me thinks the #MeToo movement might have caused a surge of high school boys to start identifying as conservative. In some of their eyes, the movement might have been "anti-male". This might also explain why that number is decreasing as of late; with #MeToo dying, high school boys have fewer perceived gender-based reasons to oppose being "liberal".

Most of the 2010s was dominated by catastrophically terrible feminist messaging that was pushed heavily by the entertainment industry and most left-of-center political parties in the west. It was a big mistake.

I say specifically the #MeToo movement because the data indicate there was a sharp decline of support for liberalism amongst high school boys from 2016 to 2018. The #MeToo movement started in 2017.

I get what you're saying. The MeToo movement in a lot of ways was the culmination of that terrible feminist messaging that I talked about.

While there were examples of guys who were unfairly accused to dismiss #metoo as “culmination of that terrible feminist messaging” is kinda unfair as it did a lot more good than harm

I didn't dismiss anything, but I believe all of the messaging surrounding it was mishandled.

[DaleCooper]

Part of me thinks the #MeToo movement might have caused a surge of high school boys to start identifying as conservative. In some of their eyes, the movement might have been "anti-male". This might also explain why that number is decreasing as of late; with #MeToo dying, high school boys have fewer perceived gender-based reasons to oppose being "liberal".

Most of the 2010s was dominated by catastrophically terrible feminist messaging that was pushed heavily by the entertainment industry and most left-of-center political parties in the west. It was a big mistake.

I say specifically the #MeToo movement because the data indicate there was a sharp decline of support for liberalism amongst high school boys from 2016 to 2018. The #MeToo movement started in 2017.

I get what you're saying. The MeToo movement in a lot of ways was the culmination of that terrible feminist messaging that I talked about.

While there were examples of guys who were unfairly accused to dismiss #metoo as “culmination of that terrible feminist messaging” is kinda unfair as it did a lot more good than harm

I didn't dismiss anything, but I believe all of the messaging surrounding it was mishandled.

But in what ways was it mishandled though?

The whole gist of their philosophy was that all allegations are presumed true.

[DaleCooper]

Part of me thinks the #MeToo movement might have caused a surge of high school boys to start identifying as conservative. In some of their eyes, the movement might have been "anti-male". This might also explain why that number is decreasing as of late; with #MeToo dying, high school boys have fewer perceived gender-based reasons to oppose being "liberal".

Most of the 2010s was dominated by catastrophically terrible feminist messaging that was pushed heavily by the entertainment industry and most left-of-center political parties in the west. It was a big mistake.

I say specifically the #MeToo movement because the data indicate there was a sharp decline of support for liberalism amongst high school boys from 2016 to 2018. The #MeToo movement started in 2017.

I get what you're saying. The MeToo movement in a lot of ways was the culmination of that terrible feminist messaging that I talked about.

While there were examples of guys who were unfairly accused to dismiss #metoo as “culmination of that terrible feminist messaging” is kinda unfair as it did a lot more good than harm

I didn't dismiss anything, but I believe all of the messaging surrounding it was mishandled.

But in what ways was it mishandled though?

The whole gist of their philosophy was that all allegations are presumed true.

What is wrong with that philosophy as a cultural value? We're not talking about a court of law.

A culture in which your life ends if someone accuses you of misconduct is a bad, inferior culture.

[DaleCooper]

A culture in which your life ends if someone accuses you of misconduct is a bad, inferior culture.

False accusations are incredibly rare - men are more likely to be victims of rape themselves than falsely accused of rape.

If a man is more worried about being falsely accused of rape than he is of being raped, then his prioritizes are skewed.

The alternative to the MeToo standard is assuming that every accuser is a liar, which is obviously problematic.

No, that's not the alternative.

[DaleCooper]

A culture in which your life ends if someone accuses you of misconduct is a bad, inferior culture.

False accusations are incredibly rare - men are more likely to be victims of rape themselves than falsely accused of rape.

If a man is more worried about being falsely accused of rape than he is of being raped, then his prioritizes are skewed.

The alternative to the MeToo standard is assuming that every accuser is a liar, which is obviously problematic.

No, that's not the alternative.

Either you believe accusations, or you don't, which is it?

This statement is a perfect example of how big of a failure the MeToo crap was. It doesn't even seem to occur to you that one might abstain from passing judgment until he's reviewed the specific facts of a case.

[DaleCooper]

A culture in which your life ends if someone accuses you of misconduct is a bad, inferior culture.

False accusations are incredibly rare - men are more likely to be victims of rape themselves than falsely accused of rape.

If a man is more worried about being falsely accused of rape than he is of being raped, then his prioritizes are skewed.

The alternative to the MeToo standard is assuming that every accuser is a liar, which is obviously problematic.

No, that's not the alternative.

Either you believe accusations, or you don't, which is it?

This statement is a perfect example of how big of a failure the MeToo crap was. It doesn't even seem to occur to you that one might abstain from passing judgment until he's reviewed the specific facts of a case.

This isn't as simple as "what do you believe to be the truth in your heart", and you know it.

Let's say for example, a woman accuses a co-worker of raping her. Obviously, she isn't going to feel very comfortable being around him. It's unfair to force her to be around him every single day while you're waiting for a trial (ignoring the fact that many victims don't even want to press charges for a variety of reasons).

They'd have to be separated until an investigation is done.

[DaleCooper]

A culture in which your life ends if someone accuses you of misconduct is a bad, inferior culture.

False accusations are incredibly rare - men are more likely to be victims of rape themselves than falsely accused of rape.

If a man is more worried about being falsely accused of rape than he is of being raped, then his prioritizes are skewed.

The alternative to the MeToo standard is assuming that every accuser is a liar, which is obviously problematic.

No, that's not the alternative.

Either you believe accusations, or you don't, which is it?

This statement is a perfect example of how big of a failure the MeToo crap was. It doesn't even seem to occur to you that one might abstain from passing judgment until he's reviewed the specific facts of a case.

This isn't as simple as "what do you believe to be the truth in your heart", and you know it.

Let's say for example, a woman accuses a co-worker of raping her. Obviously, she isn't going to feel very comfortable being around him. It's unfair to force her to be around him every single day while you're waiting for a trial (ignoring the fact that many victims don't even want to press charges for a variety of reasons).

They'd have to be separated until an investigation is done.

What about other co-workers who feel uncomfortable working with someone accused of rape?

What about a teacher accused of raping a student? Should they keep their job pending an investigation?

A teacher would likely need to be put on leave. I don't know if that would be paid or not. If they are innocent then there should be reimbursement for sure.

As for the other people who aren't willing to work with someone accused of rape, that's why this shouldn't be done publicly. Another huge problem I have with MeToo is that very serious allegations are made on Instagram now. And also, what is the solution to that? If no one is willing to work with someone accused of rape then presumably the results of an investigation don't matter much. The accusation never goes away. So are people who have been accused of serious crimes never allowed to work again? Society would be much better off if this was handled professionally. I understand why the high profile MeToo cases needed to be handled somewhat publicly because they were public figures who in some cases had abused their corporate influence to get away with things a very long time, but there's no excuse for the whole office (and the whole internet for that matter) to know that Employee A accused Employee B of doing something terrible.

To get back to your initial question, the reason that this is a terrible cultural value is because you will basically turn allegations of sexual misconduct into a surefire method of making somebody disappear, which is bad for society.

[DaleCooper]

Yeah, I know. You have to take it on a case by case basis or it ain't going to be pretty.

[DaleCooper]

This does not appeal to men who aren't already 100% in the tank for Dems. It also does not appeal to most of the men who are already in the tank for Dems. Men do not want to be lectured on how they should cry more and go to therapy instead of the gym.

Also lol, “don’t go to therapy, go to the gym”, stop watching Andrew Tate

Exercising outdoors is better than going to the gym.

[DaleCooper]

Again, this all goes back to the American left becoming so stupidly obsessed with which specific people in the top 10-20% have the best odds of breaking into the top 1%, when the real societal problem is how much the top 10-20% is separating from everyone else in life outcomes.  This will only be accentuated with AI.

The irony of AI is that it has targeted " liberal arts " jobs more so than the hard blue collar jobs. Everyone... including Mark Cuban just 5 years ago, would say that Liberal arts jobs would be the future. https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-cuban-liberal-arts-is-the-future-2017-2


Or something requiring a liberal arts degree.

Now that's turned on it's head. Blue Collar Skilled Trade Jobs and more applied sciences jobs are booming under Biden. Plumbers. Engineers. Electricians. They're needed everywhere.

That's not true, it's targeting extremely mundane computer jobs. Low-level tech jobs are the ones in greatest danger. Anything that requires any kind of human thought is safe for a while.

It's the "learn to code" people who have been flipped on their heads over the last couple years.

[DaleCooper]

Meanwhile, it seems like the labor market is shifting back somewhat toward compensating physical work over degrees, especially now that AI writing happened before any significant progress on robotic construction/home repair.  The correlation between years of formal education and income is clearly taking a hit.

I think non-laborers (like the people writing AI and the non-laborers who worry about AI taking their jobs) don't understand how smart one has to be to do construction/home repair.  Construction robots can (and do) do the "labor" part, where they fail is the "figuring" part.  Educated people just assume they are smarter than the non-educated, and on average they (probably) are, but there are millions of non-educated Americans that are smarter than the average college grad.  And that is only becoming more true every year as college gets dumb downed.

To be fair it is the same situation with the AI stuff. Any job that involves small amounts of thought or sense will be safe from AI for the foreseeable future.