how far away are we from

[DaleCooper]

The more dangerous outcome looming is the SCOTUS allowing individual states to appoint electors for whichever candidate it prefers, regardless of the election outcome.

Imagine Biden winning Georgia again in 2024, but the GOP legislature decides there was voter fraud and appoints electors for DeSantis/Trump/whoever. This could begin a scenario where state legislators are not electing the president.

Work like crazy to flip state legislatures, y'know like the GOP did in 2010.

What should be done if that happens?

I've given up on Democrats ever deciding to broaden their appeal. You might notice I've been making fun of hacks like Bitecofer or Pod Save America quite a bit over the last couple of years, and part of that is because they're an endless source of unintentional comedy, but it's also because their influence has been incredibly profound on the party.

The idea that all Democrats have to do is win the suburbs or turn out the base is a big part of why they're in this mess. Democrats have known since at the latest 2010 that they were facing big problems in rural America and that this would lock them out of power in many states and instead of addressing this, Democrats decided that they didn't need those voters because of their emerging majority. Democratic conspiracy theories are not as accelerated or obvious of an evil as the Republican ones, but they're far more self-defeating. Think about it, if you've convinced yourself that you already have a decisive majority on your side, why would you ever bother to invest in broadening your coalition? I know Democrats can't bear to blame Obama for anything, but it's a fact that he was in charge when this happened and he seemed to believe it himself, so at the very least we can blame him for not shutting the nonsense down. It's gone on so long that it'll likely take close to a generation to undo the damage that this type of crackpot insanity has done to the party and the country.

[DaleCooper]

The more dangerous outcome looming is the SCOTUS allowing individual states to appoint electors for whichever candidate it prefers, regardless of the election outcome.

Imagine Biden winning Georgia again in 2024, but the GOP legislature decides there was voter fraud and appoints electors for DeSantis/Trump/whoever. This could begin a scenario where state legislators are not electing the president.

Work like crazy to flip state legislatures, y'know like the GOP did in 2010.

What should be done if that happens?

I've given up on Democrats ever deciding to broaden their appeal. You might notice I've been making fun of hacks like Bitecofer or Pod Save America quite a bit over the last couple of years, and part of that is because they're an endless source of unintentional comedy, but it's also because their influence has been incredibly profound on the party.

The idea that all Democrats have to do is win the suburbs or turn out the base is a big part of why they're in this mess. Democrats have known since at the latest 2010 that they were facing big problems in rural America and that this would lock them out of power in many states and instead of addressing this, Democrats decided that they didn't need those voters because of their emerging majority. Democratic conspiracy theories are not as accelerated or obvious of an evil as the Republican ones, but they're far more self-defeating. Think about it, if you've convinced yourself that you already have a decisive majority on your side, why would you ever bother to invest in broadening your coalition? I know Democrats can't bear to blame Obama for anything, but it's a fact that he was in charge when this happened and he seemed to believe it himself, so at the very least we can blame him for not shutting the nonsense down. It's gone on so long that it'll likely take close to a generation to undo the damage that this type of crackpot insanity has done to the party and the country.

The problem no one seems to offer any good options they democrats can to fix this that doesn’t involve getting more reactionary on culture war issues that run the risk of hurting there support among other groups that make up there coalition. So you might mock them for the turn out the base and focus on suburbs strategy but it seems to be the best option they have in this day and age

They don't have to be reactionary, they just need to be more moderate and shut down the BS.

[DaleCooper]

The more dangerous outcome looming is the SCOTUS allowing individual states to appoint electors for whichever candidate it prefers, regardless of the election outcome.

Imagine Biden winning Georgia again in 2024, but the GOP legislature decides there was voter fraud and appoints electors for DeSantis/Trump/whoever. This could begin a scenario where state legislators are not electing the president.

Work like crazy to flip state legislatures, y'know like the GOP did in 2010.

What should be done if that happens?

I've given up on Democrats ever deciding to broaden their appeal. You might notice I've been making fun of hacks like Bitecofer or Pod Save America quite a bit over the last couple of years, and part of that is because they're an endless source of unintentional comedy, but it's also because their influence has been incredibly profound on the party.

The idea that all Democrats have to do is win the suburbs or turn out the base is a big part of why they're in this mess. Democrats have known since at the latest 2010 that they were facing big problems in rural America and that this would lock them out of power in many states and instead of addressing this, Democrats decided that they didn't need those voters because of their emerging majority. Democratic conspiracy theories are not as accelerated or obvious of an evil as the Republican ones, but they're far more self-defeating. Think about it, if you've convinced yourself that you already have a decisive majority on your side, why would you ever bother to invest in broadening your coalition? I know Democrats can't bear to blame Obama for anything, but it's a fact that he was in charge when this happened and he seemed to believe it himself, so at the very least we can blame him for not shutting the nonsense down. It's gone on so long that it'll likely take close to a generation to undo the damage that this type of crackpot insanity has done to the party and the country.

The problem no one seems to offer any good options they democrats can to fix this that doesn’t involve getting more reactionary on culture war issues that run the risk of hurting there support among other groups that make up there coalition. So you might mock them for the turn out the base and focus on suburbs strategy but it seems to be the best option they have in this day and age

They don't have to be reactionary, they just need to be more moderate and shut down the BS.

Maybe a 50 state strategy like the one Howard Dean one planted during his time as DNC chair would help the Democrats in the 2026 midterm elections?

It could but Democrats are going to have to settle for some things that the "get out the base" strategy doesn't allow for. They're going to have to accept some candidates that are in favor of 12-week abortion bans or moderate government spending or more restrictive immigration policies or who oppose gun control. Democrats seem to think that the 50 state strategy just means spending 50 million dollars on advertising in each state. You have to appeal to the voters in the areas you're targeting and that's not what the conventional wisdom within the party is pointing toward these days.

[DaleCooper]

We're not just talking about Clarence Thomas. We're talking about the Senate, the House, governorships, other statewide offices, and state legislatures. The lefts' willingness to surrender all of these in what at this rate will soon be over half of the states in the country is absolutely astounding to me. It makes me wonder how much they even care about what they claim to believe in. If you don't even want to win elections, then how can you possibly claim to have any interest in bettering the lives of women or the working class or whatever in this country. You don't have to run Joe Lieberman clones or suddenly stop supporting gay marriage, but you can't campaign on the standard liberal playbook in these states. You have to meet a community's voters where they're at, and then do what you can once you get electing.