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Question: DC isn’t admitted as a state, and holds its current status as a special territory, but it’s given 1 senator and 1 member of the House of Representatives.
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Author Topic: Would you be open to this proposal?  (Read 1501 times)
ultraviolet
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« on: May 04, 2021, 02:36:03 PM »

No? It doesn't make any sense to begin with. Why does it get 1 senator instead of 2?

Because the Capitol district should not as much leveraging power as any other state.
Why

Because they may use it to benefit the federal government at the expense of the states.
How

Through legislating in a way that slants benefit to D.C.

Whaaaat I can’t believe that DC’s congressmen would try to get the best for DC! So unfair, if only other states could do the same
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ultraviolet
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2021, 02:58:06 PM »

No? It doesn't make any sense to begin with. Why does it get 1 senator instead of 2?

Because the Capitol district should not as much leveraging power as any other state.
Why

Because they may use it to benefit the federal government at the expense of the states.
How

Through legislating in a way that slants benefit to D.C.

Whaaaat I can’t believe that DC’s congressmen would try to get the best for DC! So unfair, if only other states could do the same

The difference is that the federal government may use this in an attempt to strengthen their hold over the states.


But how? Can you explain any of your thoughts?
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ultraviolet
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2021, 03:18:43 PM »

No? It doesn't make any sense to begin with. Why does it get 1 senator instead of 2?

Because the Capitol district should not as much leveraging power as any other state.
Why

Because they may use it to benefit the federal government at the expense of the states.
How

Through legislating in a way that slants benefit to D.C.

Whaaaat I can’t believe that DC’s congressmen would try to get the best for DC! So unfair, if only other states could do the same

The difference is that the federal government may use this in an attempt to strengthen their hold over the states.


But how? Can you explain any of your thoughts?

Isn’t the whole point of DC statehood to give DC the power to influence national affairs?
It's to give DC the power the same influence over national affairs that other states do.

Which is a bad decision for reasons I’ve already stated.

You haven't given any reasons, just a bunch of buzzwords with no explanation as to what they'd actually mean in practice or what aspect of DC statehood would make them true

It gives the Federal government more power over our legislative bodies, directly contradicting the separation of powers between the Executive and legislative branch.


Separation of federal and state government is different from the separation of powers. And if DC is a state then it is no longer a federal district
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ultraviolet
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2021, 03:31:31 PM »

So you think that working for the federal government should be grounds for your disenfranchisement?

Also, the idea that 2 senators from DC (in a body of 102 senators) could unilaterally enact some sort of anti-state government or pro-executive branch agenda is absurd for obvious reasons.

Wrong.

Can you tell us how 0.6% of Congress is going to take over the government and destroy the separation of powers?
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ultraviolet
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2021, 04:10:42 PM »

So you think that working for the federal government should be grounds for your disenfranchisement?

Also, the idea that 2 senators from DC (in a body of 102 senators) could unilaterally enact some sort of anti-state government or pro-executive branch agenda is absurd for obvious reasons.

Wrong.

Can you tell us how 0.6% of Congress is going to take over the government and destroy the separation of powers?

Mitch McConnell?

With that reasoning, I guess we should’ve just not made Kentucky a state.

That has nothing to do with DC statehood anyway
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ultraviolet
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2021, 06:19:09 PM »

So you think that working for the federal government should be grounds for your disenfranchisement?

Also, the idea that 2 senators from DC (in a body of 102 senators) could unilaterally enact some sort of anti-state government or pro-executive branch agenda is absurd for obvious reasons.

Wrong.

Can you tell us how 0.6% of Congress is going to take over the government and destroy the separation of powers?

Mitch McConnell?

With that reasoning, I guess we should’ve just not made Kentucky a state.

That has nothing to do with DC statehood anyway

Can you imagine someone from DC being a Senate Majority Leader, using their power to stomp on the will of states and strengthen the federal government? I can. And it could be disastrous.


The hell are you talking about? What would make a Senator (or potential Majority Leader) from DC more powerful than one from any other state?

The Senate Majority leader is more powerful than other senator. Therefore, a Senate Majority Leader from DC has more power than any other senator.


Well yeah. So does a Senate Majority Leader from Wyoming. There is no point being made here lol
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ultraviolet
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2021, 06:54:18 PM »

So you think that working for the federal government should be grounds for your disenfranchisement?

Also, the idea that 2 senators from DC (in a body of 102 senators) could unilaterally enact some sort of anti-state government or pro-executive branch agenda is absurd for obvious reasons.

Wrong.

Can you tell us how 0.6% of Congress is going to take over the government and destroy the separation of powers?

Mitch McConnell?

With that reasoning, I guess we should’ve just not made Kentucky a state.

That has nothing to do with DC statehood anyway

Can you imagine someone from DC being a Senate Majority Leader, using their power to stomp on the will of states and strengthen the federal government? I can. And it could be disastrous.


The hell are you talking about? What would make a Senator (or potential Majority Leader) from DC more powerful than one from any other state?

The Senate Majority leader is more powerful than other senator. Therefore, a Senate Majority Leader from DC has more power than any other senator.


Well yeah. So does a Senate Majority Leader from Wyoming. There is no point being made here lol

The point is that a SML from DC could very well abuse that power to strength the federal government at the expense of the states.

So could a SML from an existing state. Roll Eyes

Only they would have no motivation to do that, and their constituents would vote them out, unlike the SML from DC.


And what would a DC senator’s motivation to strengthen the federal government be? They’re representing the state of DC, not the federal government, just like any other senator.
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