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Edu
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Junior Chimp
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« on: July 19, 2013, 10:59:36 PM »

I have almost decided my vote for the primaries.

Alfonso Prat-Gay and Victoria Donda for senators

For deputies I'm a bit more conflicted between Carrio and Gil Lavedra.

By the way, great job at explaining stuff andi. I did at least one thread about some past election but I suck compared to you.

And yeah, the Andy Tow blog is absolutely great Smiley
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Edu
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2013, 01:34:21 AM »

I have lived in Argentina my whole life, I have been interested in politics and whatnot for the past 15 years and I still have trouble understanding the alliances and all the other crap. So don't worry about it, politics here are indeed confusing Tongue
 
Thanks Velasco, your post are excellent Smiley
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Edu
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2013, 12:13:42 PM »

I voted a couple of hours ago, hope I'm not disappointed by the end of the day Tongue

And thanks for making this thread and regularly updating it, good job Smiley
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Edu
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2013, 04:41:54 PM »


I vote in the City of Buenos Aires and I voted for UNEN. I don't particularly like Pino Solanas or Elisa Carrio, but I'll vote anything as long as Filmus gets booted out of congress and the kirchnerists get as few seats in the house of deputies as possible.
I would have prefered Prat gay to be the candidate for senator, but there's not much I can do at this point Tongue


Unless you are a Massa supporter you might be disappointed one way or another Wink However, the Kirchner clique had a strong disappointment in 2009 and an epic victory in 2011, so the outcome might not be conclusive and people will reclaim a real alternative in 2015. I bet that tomorrow everybody will say that they were victors.

Massa says that his thing is "centrist", "moderate" and "economically Keynesian"... I don't know what to think about the guy (I think he resembles EPN a bit). I hope that Macri doesn't win the three elections in the capital, though I'm not a Lilita's fan Wink 

Thanks. I was lacking the time to update this properly. I said almost nothing on the main issues of the (insubstantial) campaign as inflation and insecurity. El País remarks today that Argentina has the second lowest murder rate in Latin America but it's the first country in "assaults" (I guess it means robberies and the like). Also some measures CFdK adopted to counteract her unpopularity after August as lowering income taxes, plus Scioli and Insaurralde reminding the achievements of the Kirchner era as the AUH and the increased coverage of pensions (66% in 2003 and 94% today) and trying to appear as "people who listen"... until that blunder by Cabandié ("K arrogance"). And symbols: 30 years of democracy and 3rd anniversary of Nestor Kirchner decease.

Anyway I'll start some weird maps from tomorrow onwards and some topics might be addressed.

Well, frankly I would actively support any non peronist party to win. Which means the socialists (in their various forms), the UCR and maybe even the PRO. Yeah, I know that those have their peronists elements (Especially the PRO) but whatever, in this country I'll take what I can get Grin

I don't really think the situation nowadays is really comparable to the situation 4 years ago. In 2009 the kirchnerists had a lot of space to grow.
In 2009 they didn't control most of the media, the "Futbol para todos" thing was just starting, the "Asignación Universal por hijo" and other clientelist measures weren't fully in effect (If I remember correctly), Nestor Kirchner was alive and those little sh**ts from la Campora didn't really have that much power (I don't even remember if they were organized).

Nowadays they control most of the media, the Futbol para todos program is a pretty strong propaganda piece, lots of people are more dependant on the government than before, there was a sort of mass hysteria regarding Kirchner's death where a lot of people suddenly considered him Jesus Christ himself, etc.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks to me that after 2009 they still could do a lot of demagogic and power gathering decisions and increase their votes. Nowadays they already have all the power, I mean, what's next? what more can they do to get votes when they already did everything they could after 2009? not much room to maneuver, which is why after they lost in August they started admitting a lot of stuff that 3 month ago they were denying.

I think the only way they can recover is if the economy suddenly booms. Funny thing is that the economy right now isn't THAT bad and they are still having a pretty lackluster election.

This is not to say that they can't still win in 2015, especially considered the fractured opposition.

Massa is just another in the long list of politicians who have been flip-flopping between parties and ideologies for most of their careers, trying to figure out what they will do once in office is a pointless and cringe inducing exercise Smiley


Why has CFdK become so unpopular? It's probably rather obvious but I haven't followed this since 2011.

Velasco already made good points. People are utterly convinced that the government falsifies not only the inflation indexes but basically everything else (Unemployment rate, poverty rate, etc). There was a pretty big deal made in the past few years about something the government said which was that you could eat with 6 pesos per day (Which is between 0,50 - 1 dollar). That didn't really came out well, considering the inflation and the fact that most people in the country have to pay double that number to buy just a cup of coffee. People say that the poverty numbers are based on these types of estimations which dramatically (and artificially) lowers the poverty rate.

The restriction on buying dollars is another thing that has impacted negatively on the government. Because, despite what they say, not only rich people save their money in dollars. Practically every person that CAN save money, does so in dollars, which is a much more stable currency than our piece of crap. In 2011 the kirchnerists made an excellent election in part because of the support of the middle class. After all this (Which is still going on) I doubt the middle class will ever trust them again.

Corruption and insecurity are always issues but in the past few years the Kirchnerists government has been adamant in ignoring those things and it pissed a lot of people off.

The situation with the trains (The fact that they crash a little bit too often and the service is terrible) has also been a focus of unhappiness against the government (especially since they usually tried to ignore the problem as they always do).

The Kirchnerist youth group "La Campora" has also been gaining enormous power and frankly most people consider them to be extreme, obnoxious and petulant jerks. Their advance in every governmental agencies and beyond has been quite worrying for a lot of people.

And I didn't think it was possible, but the Kirchnerists have become even more intolerant to other peoples opinions, more arrogant and generally more batsh**t insane in their defence of Cristina and Nestor.

And let's be honest, It's been 10 years, there is bound to be some fatigue.






Anyway, I think we'll have official results in 2 and a half hours.
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Edu
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2013, 10:20:34 PM »

What's a good site to watch the results on?

This is the official site, it's pretty good:
http://www.resultados.gob.ar/resultados/99/DDN99999.htm

95% of the votes are already reporting, so not much suspense remaining.
Don't know where you can get one in english.


So, the Kirchnerists went up a bit in some provinces, went down a bit in others. Of course they did pretty badly against Massa in the most important district in the country, but meh...more peronists Tongue

Basically a repeat of the primaries, boring.
At least I contributed to the ousting of Filmus Grin
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Edu
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2013, 10:08:26 AM »


She was reelected to the house of deputies in 2011 for the Province of Buenos Aires, which means she is up for election in 2015. As far as I know she's still in congress.

This year she ran for senator in the City of Buenos Aires in the primaries as the 2nd senator (Prat Gay was the 1st), but they lost to Pino Solanas (Well, they ended up 3rd actually).

Don't ask me how she can hold office in one district and then run in another, I have no idea Tongue
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