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anvi
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« on: June 03, 2012, 08:25:11 PM »

Actually, I control them both.  It's a trickster god complex.  I'll get over it when everybody goes broke.

But, in answer to the thread question: yes, of course.  Baskets of dollar bills deep enough to get candidates elected to office these days aren't filled to the brim by people like me.   
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2012, 10:51:31 AM »

Torie, isn't the real threat of long-term debt overhang a prolonged stagnation in growth?  There was a paper recently published by Carmen Reinhardt and Kenneth Rogoff that conducted a study of 26 countries, and the findings relevant to interest rates were interesting.  These economists had established in another paper in 2010 something that is obviously relevant for us, namely that, for countries where debt-to-GDP ratios surpassed 90%, there was a more consistent negative effect of the debt on long-term growth, and since we've reached 100% and rising, we've crossed a bad threshold.  But in their most recent study of 26 countries with long-term debt overhang, 11 countries had virtually unchanged or lower interest rates than in low debt years.  See pp. 16ff of their report and especially figure 4 on page 19.

http://www.economics.harvard.edu/files/faculty/51_Debt_Overhangs.pdf

Since 15 of the 26 countries sampled did experience higher interest rates with long-term debt overhangs, it's certainly a concern.  But the most recent examples of Japan and the U.S., and the great variety of interest rate reaction to different levels of debt overhang seem enough reason not to jump to conclusions about a linear effect of big debt-overhang on interest rates.  The real problem of long-term debt seems to be the threat of long-term economic stagnation, which obviously would be bad both for our economy and for continuation of government services.
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2012, 04:29:48 PM »

Slower growth is one cost of high debt carry, but in the case of the US, draining out the currency the US issued is destined to increase real interest rates as too many T Bills/Bonds chase too few buyers and/or there is a perception of greater default and/or currency depreciation risk which will exacerbate the cost of the debt carry, further truncating growth or leading to another economic dip.  So I guess what I am saying is that the cost to economic growth of failing to install confidence in US budgetary policies going forward will probably be higher than what would normally be the case for a given level of debt, and with a somewhat higher risk of a potential sharp currency collapse risk ala Greece, rather than just prolonged stagnation.

Yes, the confidence issue about our budget process is certainly important.  I'm going to have to study more about the interest rate issue though.  I know some economists have been making the same argument about Japan once it's debt finally needs to be directly tackled.  In fact I should just study econ more in general.  I've read some books about it, but obviously not enough.
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