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Earth
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« on: March 25, 2010, 01:16:57 AM »

Should creationism be taught in schools? In a Christian sense, no, but if we're talking about intelligent design, then I don't think it's unconstitutional to present that as a theory for the cause of evolution, or to present holes in the theory.

Not science, goddamn it.

Church and state should remain as separate as honesty and televangelism.
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Earth
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2010, 12:05:29 AM »
« Edited: March 26, 2010, 12:08:35 AM by Earth »

Should creationism be taught in schools? In a Christian sense, no, but if we're talking about intelligent design, then I don't think it's unconstitutional to present that as a theory for the cause of evolution, or to present holes in the theory.

Not science, goddamn it.


It's not science to say there is no god and that evolution explains causation, as that's completely unprovable.

No one said saying "there's no God" is scientific. I don't quite get the way you're using your second point.

Why the hell do you care if someone says to kids that there may have been a designer, or there may not have been, but still teach evolution in full?

I care because I don't want intelligent design, which is not a scientific theory, to be taught in a science class. The same way I don't want a discussion of economics in science class, or a lesson on Marcel Duchamp's anti-art.

It belongs in theology, not science. Unless there is a theological course, then it has no place in public schools.

To say that that's unconstitutional is absurd, and more of an atheist position than a scientific one.

So what? I never brought up the issue of constitutionality, I rely on whether or not the subject in question is a part of science to determine whether or not a science class should include it.

Agnosticism is more scientific, and having teachers explain that there may or may not have been a designer is pretty agnostic.

Now this is where the argument diverges; it's irrelevant for this discussion which position, atheism, or agnosticism is "more scientific".

Having teachers explain this would be a mistake, not in that it's "ohhh boogeyman Christianity in public schools" but that there is no evidence to support intelligent design, or a creator. Stick to something testable.

If it doesn't violate the constitution, which it obviously doesn't unless you're trying to interpret the constitution in a way that allows you to tell people how they should run their own education system, then it should be up to local school boards to decide.

I disagree; the local school board should not be setting the curriculum, particularly for something most of them would not know anything about.

If a school board doesn't want to include it, they shouldn't have to. But they shouldn't be prevented from doing so because of people that want to circumvent democracy by claiming something is unconstitutional when it really isn't.

Education is not democratic. It is foolish to think otherwise.
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