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« on: November 21, 2016, 07:51:42 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2016, 09:29:40 PM »
« Edited: November 21, 2016, 09:32:02 PM by realisticidealist »


I'm pretty sure it's a story if you're a woman who's had an abortion and has still been trying to get up the courage to go to confession as the Year of Mercy has run out.

There was literally zero change in the US. This was already the status quo even before the Year of Mercy. Internationally, it's a very slight administrative story in some places.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2016, 01:52:18 AM »
« Edited: November 22, 2016, 02:03:51 AM by realisticidealist »

How does this square with:

a) The Roman Church's theology of the sacraments, priesthood, and mortal sin? That is if abortion is a mortal sin, then would not the old rules condemn the repentant abortionist/abortion-seeker to hell? Or at least makes it more likely that they will go to hell?

b) The quasi-universalism I've been hearing from some Catholics?

Really not that much was changed. Participating in an abortion is one of eight sins which results in an automatic latae sententiae excommunication, something which is an additional penalty on top of being in a state of mortal sin. Excommunications can generally only be lifted by bishops, but bishops have the power to selectively devolve this ability to the priests below them. This devolution for abortion was the standard in the United States, but not in other parts of the world. For the Year of Mercy, Pope Francis devolved this power to all priests; all the pronouncement today did was make this devolution permanent and universal.

Not sure what you mean by part b.
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2016, 01:32:44 PM »

The most quasi-universalist talk I've heard is from people like Robert Barron who hold the "reasonable hope that everyone will be saved" position, but I'm not aware of many, if any, who go further than that. Personally, I think univeralism is a plausible outcome, but one I find rather unlikely as it overrides free will (although you can make a purgatorial universalist argument that doesn't necessarily do so, although it has other problems), and it seems to go against a number of teachings from Jesus himself.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2016, 04:38:25 PM »

Strange that the pope can do so since no man has ever been given the power to forgive in God's name.

John 20:22-23
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