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BlueSwan
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« on: November 12, 2017, 02:33:28 AM »

Well they weren’t rigged so Maher’s comments on the matter are irrelevant.
Indeed. I wish these conspiracy theorists would tell us exactly HOW the primaries were supposedly rigged. Did Sanders not get on the ballot? Did they not count all the votes? Did they not hold debates? Did they prevent Sanders from getting media coverage in some way?

There is no doubt that the people working at the DNC overwhelmingly favoured Clinton, as did almost all elected democrats and superdelegates. But I've seen zero evidence of any kind of actual "rigging" of anything.
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BlueSwan
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2017, 04:46:48 AM »

Future rigging's need to be prevented...

     There is something a little perverse about ignoring a problem because there is a more pressing one when that smaller problem helped create the larger problem. The primary shenanigans can't be anyone's biggest priority at the moment, but "it doesn't matter" is awfully blithe considering the potential for something similar to happen in the future.
But the primary wasn't rigged.

Superdelegates are part of the system the party has chosen to pick their nominee. One may not like that system, but it has nothing to do with some shady "rigging" of anything-.
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2017, 05:29:56 AM »
« Edited: November 12, 2017, 07:17:57 AM by BlueSwan »

I personally quite like the idea of the party establishment having a degree of sway over the primaries via the superdelegate system. It protects the party from falling into the hands of extremists, like the GOP arguably has. Since the US party system is effectively a two party system, there's also a national interest in keeping the only two parties that count out of the hands of the insane. Much of the problems of government gridlock stems from the GOP becoming a hardliner party.

Fundamentally, I think a true multiparty system with a proportional vote system is much better than the first past the post system that creates two-party dynasties. In a true multiparty system, both fringes have their own parties and have their voices heard, but they usually don't hold much sway over the actual legislative process - instead that is typically dominated by center-right and center-left parties that keeps the system sane and tolerable for most people.

But as long as the US does not have such a system, a system where the two parties have mechanisms to keep their fringe elements somewhat in check, is preferred. The democrats have the super delegates. The GOP.....well, they have gone to sh*t.
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2017, 07:19:07 AM »

What exactly was shameful. Be specific, please.
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BlueSwan
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2017, 09:44:06 AM »

What exactly was shameful. Be specific, please.

Stop trolling, it was rigged, everyone with a brain could figure it out. EVERYTHING was rigged for Hillary. She was the anointed one
It's not trolling in the slightest. It is very easy to claim that the contest was "rigged", but there's no proof of any wrongdoing at all. Superdelegates have been in place for decades, those were not invented by Hillary. The fact that most of the DNC supported Hillary doesn't explain why the election proces in itself should be rigged either.

You and others are the accusers. Well, bring the proof. Tell us exactly HOW this election was supposedly rigged.
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