Economics and Feminism

[dazzleman]

No, I think you're basically right in a lot of ways.

Men and women have been genetically programmed to think and act a certain way for thousands of years.  Men were programmed to look for attractive but faithful women to bear them children and to be good at raising those children.  Women were programmed to look for men who could be good providers to them and their children.  Faithfulness was never as important for men as for women because unlike a woman, who can always be sure a child is hers, a man must depend on his wife's faithfulness to not get saddled with raising and supporting other men's children.

Much of this thinking is politically incorrect today, but the underlying behaviors persist, whether we want to admit it or not.  Even highly successful women want men who make more money than they do.  And men in general do not find highly successful women attractive, for a variety of reasons.  Many feminist women complain bitterly about the second item I mentioned, but ignore the first.

At the same time, the feminist philosophy has instilled in many women a sense of entitlement -- an attitude of "what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine."  There is an underlying contempt for men in the basic feminist philosophy that many many women, and even some men (nclib and earle) have absorbed, in some cases without even recognizing it.

The problem for these feminist women is that the balance of power in male-female relationships, in general, inexorably shifts against women and in favor of men as they age.  Aging men often have more of the things that would attract women, while aging women have fewer of the qualities that would attract men.  In addition, men peak sexually at an earlier age, so their mad desperation for sex is waning somewhat just as women are reaching their peak in that area.  Many women don't wake up to these basic immutable realities until it's too late, and then become bitter man-haters when they realize that they have forever lost the upper hand in dealing with men that feminists always told them was their birthright.

As far as the effect of feminism on economics, I hold feminism to be one of the key contributors to the cost of housing having risen much faster than the average single person's income.  How could it not, when most families switched from a singler wage earner to two wage earners, and the housing market is largely driven by what the people in an area can afford, in the aggregate, especially in areas with supply limitations.  The implications to those without two wage earners, or a superior single income, are obvious.

[dazzleman]

for dazzleman-  How long do you think my politics wll end up to the right of Joe Lieberman if at all?  Remember Georges Clemenceau's quote.

I don't know, man.  I think much of your politics is based upon resentment of perceived past slights, and resentment of your current situation.  If and when you overcome and/or let go of these resentments, your politics will probably moderate to some degree.  You seem to veer all over the political map, depending upon the issue.

On this issue, I think you're right about the economic effects of feminism, and the negative effects it has on relationships between women and men.  Any philosophy that is based upon grievance, perceived victimhood, a belief in the superiority of one type of person over another, and a desire to violate the rights of other people is not likely to good relationships between the people in question.

OTOH, you seem to view relations with women in the crassest sense, and I think that's unfortunate.  One of the downsides of feminism for women is the bill of goods that women have been sold about how it's possible to have a stimulating career and raise kids, without the support of a man.  The poverty statistics clearly show what a fallacy this is.  Still, in part because of feminism, more women than ever are saddled with the burden of raising kids alone.  It's bad for the children and society.

The downside of sex with some person they meet off the street is much higher for a woman than a man, and you need to recognize that.  A man is much less likely to pick up a disease from a woman than the other way around, and a man of course cannot become pregnant.  You need to recognize that.

Things would be much better if people treated each other with mutual respect, and were able to better see the position of the other person.  I oppose feminism in part because it does not offer mutual respect.  I would oppose a male-based philosophy that simply reversed the genders with the feminist philosophy.

[dazzleman]

Wouldn't ya know it, DU locked my thread for being imflammatory and divisive.  I also seen one on "Male Priviledge" and countered with "Female Priviledge" and that one on got deleted.  Some of you guys were right.  DU is ran by a bunch of PC feminazis and yes there is a difference between them and sensible feminists.   

I wonder about the direction of the Democratic Party in the country considering how divisive we are from within.

What have I been telling you, Flyers?

[dazzleman]

for dazzleman-  How long do you think my politics wll end up to the right of Joe Lieberman if at all?  Remember Georges Clemenceau's quote.

I don't know, man.  I think much of your politics is based upon resentment of perceived past slights, and resentment of your current situation.  If and when you overcome and/or let go of these resentments, your politics will probably moderate to some degree.  You seem to veer all over the political map, depending upon the issue.

It is appropriate for a worker, being the person oppressed by power, to base his politics upon resentment, dazzleman. 

Then what explains your attitude?  That your parents are oppressing you because they don't send the checks fast enough?