Should Democrats ditch Biden and Harris in 2024?

[SevenEleven]

Absolutely. Neither has a place on the 2024 ticket.

[SevenEleven]

I can't believe the message some Dems get from this race is to swing even more to the left.  If Biden wasn't the nominee, I'm not sure the Dems would've been able to recapture the Rust Belt.  I definitely don't see Harris playing well there if she's the nominee in four years.

Harris is the reason it's so close to begin with. She has to go.

[SevenEleven]

Y'all are nuts. Biden is likely to win, but we know why he didn't get the votes in certain areas. Pretend all you want. That's all I have to say on the matter.

--your resident anti-racist

[SevenEleven]

Y'all are nuts. Biden is likely to win, but we know why he didn't get the votes in certain areas. Pretend all you want. That's all I have to say on the matter.

--your resident anti-racist

Your explanation is Kamala Harris. Count me as skeptical.

-all of Hillary's negatives
-plus some (unfortunately)
-none of the positives

Yeah, Kamala is a problem.

[SevenEleven]

Y'all are nuts. Biden is likely to win, but we know why he didn't get the votes in certain areas. Pretend all you want. That's all I have to say on the matter.

--your resident anti-racist

Your explanation is Kamala Harris. Count me as skeptical.

-all of Hillary's negatives
-plus some (unfortunately)
-none of the positives

Yeah, Kamala is a problem.

I'd disagree on the negatives, what data we have indicates she's viewed at least as favorably as Biden, and nobody votes on the VP anyway.

I don't want to say why, but I do know why. Those numbers in RGV and NM aren't statistical noise.

If Biden doesn't win GA, Kamala is the worst VP pick in my life. She absolutely hurt the ticket, through no fault of her own.

[SevenEleven]

Y'all are nuts. Biden is likely to win, but we know why he didn't get the votes in certain areas. Pretend all you want. That's all I have to say on the matter.

--your resident anti-racist

Your explanation is Kamala Harris. Count me as skeptical.

-all of Hillary's negatives
-plus some (unfortunately)
-none of the positives

Yeah, Kamala is a problem.

I'd disagree on the negatives, what data we have indicates she's viewed at least as favorably as Biden, and nobody votes on the VP anyway.

I don't want to say why, but I do know why. Those numbers in RGV and NM aren't statistical noise.

So you're telling me a bunch of rural Latinos turned out for the first time and voted Trump because Biden picked Harris as VP. I'm skeptical.

Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. Obviously, it wasn't because Trump did a phenomenal job and people had to support him.

[SevenEleven]

Y'all are nuts. Biden is likely to win, but we know why he didn't get the votes in certain areas. Pretend all you want. That's all I have to say on the matter.

--your resident anti-racist

Your explanation is Kamala Harris. Count me as skeptical.

-all of Hillary's negatives
-plus some (unfortunately)
-none of the positives

Yeah, Kamala is a problem.

I'd disagree on the negatives, what data we have indicates she's viewed at least as favorably as Biden, and nobody votes on the VP anyway.

I don't want to say why, but I do know why. Those numbers in RGV and NM aren't statistical noise.

So you're telling me a bunch of rural Latinos turned out for the first time and voted Trump because Biden picked Harris as VP. I'm skeptical.

Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. Obviously, it wasn't because Trump did a phenomenal job and people had to support him.

I simply disagree and you'll need to provide actual evidence to back it up. There's no way somebody chooses to become a voter over a VP pick. Seems more likely they supported Trump over actual issues--small business closures, for example, seem like a real possibility.

What I'm trying to say is there's a lot of racist Latinos out there, too. And Kamala combined with BLM was a trigger. It's disgusting, but it's why we see what we see in RGV and NM.

[SevenEleven]

Y'all are nuts. Biden is likely to win, but we know why he didn't get the votes in certain areas. Pretend all you want. That's all I have to say on the matter.

--your resident anti-racist

Your explanation is Kamala Harris. Count me as skeptical.

-all of Hillary's negatives
-plus some (unfortunately)
-none of the positives

Yeah, Kamala is a problem.

I'd disagree on the negatives, what data we have indicates she's viewed at least as favorably as Biden, and nobody votes on the VP anyway.

I don't want to say why, but I do know why. Those numbers in RGV and NM aren't statistical noise.

So you're telling me a bunch of rural Latinos turned out for the first time and voted Trump because Biden picked Harris as VP. I'm skeptical.

Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. Obviously, it wasn't because Trump did a phenomenal job and people had to support him.

I simply disagree and you'll need to provide actual evidence to back it up. There's no way somebody chooses to become a voter over a VP pick. Seems more likely they supported Trump over actual issues--small business closures, for example, seem like a real possibility.

What I'm trying to say is there's a lot of racist Latinos out there, too. And Kamala combined with BLM was a trigger. It's disgusting, but it's why we see what we see in RGV and NM.

And what I'm trying to say is that nobody cares about VP. It might be different if she was on top of the ticket.

So how is it Biden's fault?

[SevenEleven]

Y'all are nuts. Biden is likely to win, but we know why he didn't get the votes in certain areas. Pretend all you want. That's all I have to say on the matter.

--your resident anti-racist

Your explanation is Kamala Harris. Count me as skeptical.

-all of Hillary's negatives
-plus some (unfortunately)
-none of the positives

Yeah, Kamala is a problem.

I'd disagree on the negatives, what data we have indicates she's viewed at least as favorably as Biden, and nobody votes on the VP anyway.

I don't want to say why, but I do know why. Those numbers in RGV and NM aren't statistical noise.

So you're telling me a bunch of rural Latinos turned out for the first time and voted Trump because Biden picked Harris as VP. I'm skeptical.

Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. Obviously, it wasn't because Trump did a phenomenal job and people had to support him.

I simply disagree and you'll need to provide actual evidence to back it up. There's no way somebody chooses to become a voter over a VP pick. Seems more likely they supported Trump over actual issues--small business closures, for example, seem like a real possibility.

What I'm trying to say is there's a lot of racist Latinos out there, too. And Kamala combined with BLM was a trigger. It's disgusting, but it's why we see what we see in RGV and NM.

And what I'm trying to say is that nobody cares about VP. It might be different if she was on top of the ticket.

So how is it Biden's fault?

Partially. And also partially genuine strength from Trump. If I had to guess, I really think "Democrats are the party of welfare and socialism" is really hitting us with small business owners--who are heavily Latino and Asian. We need to fix our messaging on that.

I agree with that, but Kamala was a megaphone, a catalyst for that sentiment. There was nothing about Biden or the DNC platform that varied significantly from HRC. Even if she does a good job as VP, I think it's worth looking elsewhere in 2024.