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WMS
Junior Chimp
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« on: September 02, 2004, 09:47:40 PM »

Ever wonder why this idea isn't being attempted in California?

Or Texas? Wink
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WMS
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2004, 09:51:21 PM »

It is generally agreed among academics that the fairest (least size-biased) way of handling fractions is the Webster or Sainte-Laguë method, which works by adjusting the quota such that the sum of the quotients rounded to their closest integer would equal the target total. Applying this to the 2000 presidential election, we get the following:

[snip for space]

Total: 538
Bush: 265
Gore: 266
Nader: 7

What are the results if, say, a 5% threshold is applied in each state? How badly does Nader suffer from it?

And this is a superb thread! Kudos to all those who posted!
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WMS
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,557


Political Matrix
E: -3.48, S: -1.22

« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2004, 11:47:39 PM »

Ever wonder why this idea isn't being attempted in California?
Or Texas? Wink
There is no initiative in Texas, so even if a rich Californian wanted to fund such an effort, he couldn't.
Oh darn, a technicality. Wink I was just having fun with the fact that both parties want to try out ideas to split state electoral votes...













...in states that the other party won. Cheesy
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WMS
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,557


Political Matrix
E: -3.48, S: -1.22

« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2004, 11:49:21 PM »

It is generally agreed among academics that the fairest (least size-biased) way of handling fractions is the Webster or Sainte-Laguë method, which works by adjusting the quota such that the sum of the quotients rounded to their closest integer would equal the target total. Applying this to the 2000 presidential election, we get the following:

[snip for space]

Total: 538
Bush: 265
Gore: 266
Nader: 7

What are the results if, say, a 5% threshold is applied in each state? How badly does Nader suffer from it?

And this is a superb thread! Kudos to all those who posted!
Under the Colorado proposal with a 5% threshold, Nader would lose EV in California(2), New York, Ohio, and Texas, keeping only his one EV from Massachusetts.   Under pure St-Lague he would also keep his one EV from Minnesota.

Under the Colorado proposal, there is effectively a threshold of 1/2 the total number of EV, so any state with 10 EV or fewer has a threshold of 5% or greater.  Under pure St-Lague, the threshold is is 1/2 of the total number of EV + 0.5, with the percentage figured on the 3-party vote, rather than the total vote.  In a state with 10 EV, the threshold would be 5% under the Coloard proposal, and about 4.76% under pure St-Lague.

Under the Colorado proposal, the winner in a state would gain any votes that an unsuccessful candidate did not receive, so Nader's lost votes would be split 3 for Gore (New York and California) and 2 for Bush (Texas and Ohio).  Under St-Lague with a threshold, the extra EV would be allocated on the basis of the Bush-Gore vote.  Bush and Gore would split the 2 California EV, Gore would gain the New York EV, and Bush would gain the Texas and Ohio EV.

Thank you very much! I wonder how well Perot would've done in 1992 and 1996...?
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