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Lincoln Republican
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« on: December 30, 2007, 10:39:02 PM »
« edited: December 30, 2007, 10:41:39 PM by Tammany Hall Republican »

Would never happen, impossible, I know, but, what if

In 2008

Senator John McCain or Arizona is the Republican Presidential nominee and he picks Governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina for Vice President to help shore up the Republican base.  (This ticket is not so far fetched actually)

Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio is the Democratic Presidential nominee and he picks fellow peace advocate former Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska for Vice President.  (This ticket reguires a real stretch of the imagination)

New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg runs as an independent and Republican Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska agrees to be his running mate. 

The election turns out as follows

Republican, McCain/Sanford                     269 EV  50.1% PV
Independent, Bloomberg/Hagel               250 EV  38.7% PV
Democratic, Kucinich/Gravel                        19 EV  11.2% PV




Question

Given these results, with Republicans McCain and Sanford winning a majority of the popular vote and falling just 1 electoral vote short of an outright win in the Electoral College, and the election turning out to be an unmitigatged disaster for the Democrats, does the Democratically controlled House of Representatives dare to elect Kucinich to the Presidency?

What would the Democratically controlled House do in this case about the Presidency?

Further, what would the Democratically controlled Senate do in this case about the Vice Presidency?
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Lincoln Republican
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2007, 11:47:30 PM »

I think they would go for a compromise and elect Bloomberg or another democrat that didn't even run.

If there is no electoral majority, the House elects the President from the 3 candidates who received the most electoral votes.  They have no other choices.  They do not have the option of bringing in another candidate of their choosing. 
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Lincoln Republican
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2007, 12:12:28 AM »

Bloomburg wins, its that simple.  We won't give someone who had no real reason to be given the white house the election *coughBushcoughHayescoughcough*  Simply put most Kucinich voters would have rather had Bloomburg than McCain, therefore the Kucincich EC votes go to him, and the Congress picks between the two.

In your scenario Bloomberg wins regardless, as there is no way a Democratic House would elect a Republican President.  Your scenario assumes that the Kucinich electors cast their electoral votes for Bloomberg.

But in my scenario, McCain wins 269 EV, Bloomberg wins 250 EV, and Kucinich wins 19 EV from the Electoral College electors, therefore the House would choose from McCain, Bloomberg, and Kucinich.

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Lincoln Republican
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2008, 10:27:07 PM »

I think they would go for a compromise and elect Bloomberg or another democrat that didn't even run.

If there is no electoral majority, the House elects the President from the 3 candidates who received the most electoral votes.  They have no other choices.  They do not have the option of bringing in another candidate of their choosing. 
The Electors have the right to vote for someone other than Kucinich. The House has no other choice, but the Electors are not bound by the popular vote in any way.

Yes, I know that, but my scenario assumes that the electors voted the way their states voters did.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2009, 10:27:34 PM »

Would never happen, impossible, I know, but, what if

In 2008

Senator John McCain or Arizona is the Republican Presidential nominee and he picks Governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina for Vice President to help shore up the Republican base.  (This ticket is not so far fetched actually)

Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio is the Democratic Presidential nominee and he picks fellow peace advocate former Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska for Vice President.  (This ticket reguires a real stretch of the imagination)

New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg runs as an independent and Republican Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska agrees to be his running mate. 

The election turns out as follows

Republican, McCain/Sanford                     269 EV  50.1% PV
Independent, Bloomberg/Hagel               250 EV  38.7% PV
Democratic, Kucinich/Gravel                        19 EV  11.2% PV




Question

Given these results, with Republicans McCain and Sanford winning a majority of the popular vote and falling just 1 electoral vote short of an outright win in the Electoral College, and the election turning out to be an unmitigated disaster for the Democrats, does the Democratically controlled House of Representatives dare to elect Kucinich to the Presidency?

What would the Democratically controlled House do in this case about the Presidency?

Further, what would the Democratically controlled Senate do in this case about the Vice Presidency?

McCain wins because more than 25 of the States voted for him. The Senate probably votes for Hagel.

It doesn't matter how many states vote for a candidate, what matters is how many electoral votes a candidate wins.
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