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cinyc
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« on: May 21, 2016, 01:00:59 AM »
« edited: May 21, 2016, 01:17:03 AM by cinyc »

Furthermore, I can announce that - with the passage of the First Amendment to the Fourth Constitution, the possibility of a succession crisis has been averted. For those of you who don't spend your free time looking for typos in our governing documents, what happened was this: until recently, the proposed Fourth Constitution contained a clause that would have forced President Griffin to vacate his office three weeks before the next presidential election. Fortunately, the Senate was quick on the uptake and passed an amendment rectifying this mistake, allowing the president to finish the term he was elected to. Once the new Regional Legislative Committees are established, I will forward this amendment to them so that it may be swiftly ratified without any further ado.

How can the Regional Legislative Committees ratify anything?  The new constitution says:

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I don't see any power there to ratify amendments.  Just to promptly create a constitution that allows for prompt amending (unlike in the Northeast now).

Since the current governments remain in power until the Senate and House are seated, isn't the correct answer to forward these proposed amendments to the current regions for ratification? Unfortunately, the Northeast can't vote until the penultimate weekend of June, but the other regions can open booths immediately.  If all 4 pass the proposed amendments, they'll become law, anyway.
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2016, 07:50:51 PM »

I don't think the chairman has the power to open up votes on constitutional amendments without express authorization from the committee, though.  There was only authorization to put the first two proposed constitutional amendments on the ballot with the Senate election.

This can be easily fixed, retroactively if necessary.  I don't think there's any question that the committee itself has the power to put proposed constitutional amendment votes to the people of the Northeast.  That's not legislation, so it is permitted.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2016, 11:51:10 PM »

The committee was given the power to organize first Senate elections. doesn't fall in that category.
The other power is devise the permanant constitution. I don't see how making retroactive rules to run a booth for federal amendment is devise hte permanent constitution.

In fact it goes against what is in the draft of the constitution now such as vote neeeds to start on a Friday, So making rules on the fly to make something legal after the fact looks like legislating, not devising the constitution. 

And we already voted for two federal constitutional amendments at the same time as the Senate election.  Nobody objected, because it should be obvious that by doing so, we weren't legislating, but doing what every other region did - passing along a federal constitutional amendment vote to the citizens.  If we didn't do so, there would have been no President at the start of the new constitution.  Even after the North constitution is passed, the only role anyone in the government has will be to pass proposed federal constitutional amendments along to the public for a vote.  There is no regional legislation involved for federal constitutional amendments.

You're right that the proposed constitution requires constitutional amendment votes start on a Friday.  That hasn't been ratified yet.  I would have preferred this vote to start on a Friday, but what's done is done.  The booth has already been open.  My emergency legislation doesn't require the voting booth for future amendments to be opened on Friday, but perhaps it should.  I'll revisit that after the bill passes.
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