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classical liberal
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« on: October 24, 2008, 03:38:37 PM »

I think "regression to the mean" would be a better word than "tightening"

If one poll overstates Obama's lead then the next one is extremely likely to show "tightening" regardless of whether the race has actually changed.

What's with the strikethrough?
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classical liberal
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2008, 03:49:22 PM »

Okay, what I should have said was that more than likely it's not statistical noise. Better?

I guess.  Honestly I don't know at what point something becomes less likely to be statistical noise.  The 50% confidence interval, I guess?  Not sure when that's reached.  Wish there were a calculator for that.

I was just pointing out being concretely sure it isn't statistical noise when it's within the 95th confidence interval is a bit dangerous.  Methodology/sampling errors + statistical noise = a lot of uncertainty, maybe 1-in-7 polls or something like that.  But, yeah, better, def.

If we assume a normal distribution, then the reported MoE for a 95% confidence is stdev*1.96, whereas the MoE for a 50% confidence is stdev*0.675.  That means a move of (MoE=4%)*.675/1.96=1.38% is more likely than not to be non-noise legitimate movement.  Of course, that is for sampling error.  There is also systematic error, such as the wording of questions (I still can't get over the fact that most pollsters ask how you feel about George Bush immediately before asking about the presidential race).

In any case, since McCain just visited that tiny empty state, the echo chamber of local press can be expected to have given him a transient bump that a good pollster should be able to detect while it is still fresh.
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classical liberal
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2008, 05:49:11 PM »

NH
R's 90% McCain- 10% Obama
D's 91% Obama- 5% McCain
I's 51% Obama- 42% McCain

I reweighted the numbers based on NH voter registration and I get:

Obama    50.69%
McCain    45.41%

It only adds a point to his advantage.

I do think that Democratic turnout will be higher than Republican turnout and that Obama will win independents by more than 9%.  Other polls have shown him with a 20% lead among indies in NH.

The question is whether that 20% lead was 50-30 or 60-40.  A 50-30 lead just means that McCain's support is that much softer than Obama's, which we already knew to be true in intent though not in extent; Obama is likely already polling at or just below his ceiling of support (barring a big event in the next 2 weeks).
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