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« on: January 25, 2009, 01:01:34 PM »

And another note for the Democrat's best friend Don - He is known for supporting two U.S. Senate candidates (Lisa Murkowski in Alaska and Kirk Humphrys in Oklahoma) in 2004 that were known to be the two least electable candidates in their respective primaries. I believe he also supported former Governor David Beasley in South Carolina's GOP Senate primary in the same year when he had some serious electability questions.

Now Don will come up with wonderful excuses for supporting these people and that's fine but the last thing I need is for him to hold the electability argument in anyone's face. Electability is only an issue when it is convenient for Don.

How the hell can anyone who claims to support moderates for good Gov'ts sake support Lisa Murkowski?

Also, to clear some things up about the two big races mentioned, I can't help but notice some missing facts.

The weeping over former Congressman Schwarz is especially amusing to me. We're made to believe that he, like Gilchrist, fell to some fascist in a 2008 primary. Well, that's wrong. Schwarz lost in the primary in 2006. Walberg won the 2006 General election in this "R +2" district by five points - 51% to 46%. That's not a very close race, Don. Sorry.

He then lost in 2008 by three points. I don't think that's that horrible since "R +2" isn't exactly safe GOP land and 2008 was absolutely horrible for this party. We're talking about an economic collapse and a race in Michigan here.


Now the Maryland race was in more friendly GOP territory but the loss wasn't as crushing as we are led to believe. Harris lost by less than a percentage point. If Gilchrist (someone I have said I had no major problems with before he turned into a whiner) hadn't endorsed the Democrat, I have no doubt that we would have kept this seat. Should we have won it fairly easily? Maybe. Please keep in mind that we went down hard in a lot of areas even with Don's "Moderate Hero" candidates.

What's the excuses for Chris Shays? Is it that maybe some people got tired of us (rightly or wrongly) as a party, Don? We have seen in the past two cycles that the public as a whole hasn't spared us whether we be conservative, moderate or even left wingers. Your former idol Lincoln Chafee even went down hard, my friend.

Lets not forget that Moderate Hero John McCain abandoned Michigan, a state he was only trailing by 5 points, and pulled 65% to 70% of there warchest and dumped it into Maine a state he lost by 16 points and caused a 13 or 15 point loss in MI. Walberg probably would have won were it not for McCain's piss poor campaign strategy.
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2009, 01:23:50 PM »
« Edited: January 25, 2009, 01:25:51 PM by North Carolina Yankee »



How the hell can anyone who claims to support moderates for good Gov'ts sake support Lisa Murkowski?

I'm sure Don will give a respectable answer.

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Let's keep it to the people that are directly involved in the district.

We sure as hell didn't hear Don whining in 2006 when Schwarz endorsed the Democratic nominee but he has no problem furthering this myth that Pat Toomey directly helps the Dems.

The problem with this district is that Don, Dems and other Toomey/Club for Growth haters will have you believe that this is another area that ought to be totally safe for the GOP. It's not. It's "R +2" based on the source they cited. Give me a break.

Oh I think it is a factor since having a Presidential candidate abandon a state decreases turnout. There was no excuse to focus on PA and let MI go for Obama by 12 or 13. The states are very similar and both should have been won or lost by similar margins.
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2009, 01:38:40 PM »

How is not directly related to the congressional district when thousands of Republicans stay home cause of the old " My vote won't count anyway" line. That might have put Walberg over the top.
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