A statement on recent events

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I have never infected anything that doesn't violate the TOS.

Atlasia exists under a littany of exceptions on trolling and spamming that would be infracted elsewhere. This includes derailing threads with off topic conversation, one of which was reported and I no actioned it because I am a very patient man. Most of the time when this happens I just split the topic and select no violation counted when I do act.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

^ This does nothing to address my broader point, especially that derailing is apparently more important than doxxing someone. Until LT is sanctioned for what he did, I don't think the right has any leg to stand on here.

I am on my phone, at work on lunch. Ten paragraph dismantlings happen at 4 am for a reason.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

One thing that has come to attention is people are very much not aware of the how the moderation system works.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

^ This does nothing to address my broader point, especially that derailing is apparently more important than doxxing someone. Until LT is sanctioned for what he did, I don't think the right has any leg to stand on here.

The old "how can you attack Xahar, while defending Napoleon" trope. I am sure that will hold up in court.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Doesn't your logic apply in reverse? Why should in game discussion be put on hold or the game held hostage because you disagree with the actions of the forum administration?

Your post was reported and I no sanctioned it and instead posted a warning in the thread. Would you have rather I deleted it all and infracted you? It wasn't even a fed who reported it if we play by your logic.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Quite frankly, the greatest sense of shame I have is not leaving this hellhole. I do apologize to the people, in fact, I apologize for continuing to allow this game to exist after the LT incident by not encouraging mass deregistrations as protest.

You see Forumlurker's response was actually nice and reasonable, but S019s comes off as quite angry.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I apologize for continuing to allow this game to exist

This is the exact same hubris that was written all over the logs and was likewise present in 2015. This attitude of self-righteousness, hubris and quite frankly disdain for other people, that makes a certain group every so often, elect themselves lord high executioner with the mission to destroy the game.

I think, after being on the receiving end of three of these very similar situations with this same attitude manifested, it is reasonable of me to ask why this mindset develops?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What I do not apologize to the people for is for educating them on the actual truth about the opposition and not letting them be easily influenced by this controversy. I am proud to be giving people the full story here and letting them judge for themselves.

Right because Tack (who first prosectuted LT), Scott (Whose issues with LT are famous), WB (likewise), WxTransit (Likewise), and so on and such forth, did all they have the past month, because they just love LT so much?

Press X to doubt.

You guys screwed up, 1/6 style denialism, and whataboutery befitting a Republican Congressman, ain't gonna change that fact.

The other thing is and since you are so concerned about getting the full story. The strategy was to goad LT to the point that his ego made him become the face of the opposition, thus ensuring that the plot would succeed because a unified opposition could not form.

Fortunately LT did the smart thing, and for the most part, kept his mouth shut and that was the first big setback for the plotters.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What court? Trying this while letting LT off scot free would be utterly ridiculous.

You know what, screw it. I am going to go there.

What I want to know is how it can became the general narrative in the Labor discords of the world, that LT getting off with a DoJ run by Dirty Fing Harry himself and a Supreme Court 4-1 Labor aligned was anything other than the result sheer rank incompetence on the part of Labor somewhere (Due note I am not attacking Tack here, he had RL stuff and frankly real life should trump the game).

The only real delay on LT's side was inability to find an attorney. People (Jambles) presumed I could, should and thus would be so but I had conflicts in game and RL obligations likewise that had to come first. Regardless of how much you despise LT, he still has a right to counsel in a trial under the law, not that you care much about that sort of thing. Even so it was not the result of any delaying actions on LT's side that the first attempt failed, it was because Tack wasn't able to continue.

His replacement, whose incompetence should by now not be in a doubt in anyone's mind, blew a whole month working on a meme secessionist effort in the Northeast before deciding, "let's try LT again".

If there wasn't such rampant hubris and narcissism going around Labor discords, their should have been an acknowledgement that it was a screw up. Instead, Crane went after Windjammer in a rather embarrassing episode and you guys peddled this "obstruction" angle, which is not what happened and if it did, a competent prosecution would have dealt with it.

What you are saying is, the Truman wing of Labor screws up and the game has to die at the hands of Truman's crew because of it? That because your crew couldn't successfully carry out a prosecution, you have immunity for all future crimes?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Let's just start with the fact that LouisvilleThunder, as is well known by now, doxxed someone. It should be noted that the TOS forbids transmitting information that is "invasive of another's privacy." While this is such a broad term, it can be safely presumed that doxxing falls within this category. So, now you may enquire what has been done about such a blatant violation of the TOS by such a prominent political official. Well I regret to disappointment you by stating that no action has been taken none. Also with the recent hardline desire to promote discussion of the current plot, any discussion of this event would be deemed non germane or so it seems. Not to mention, the consequences of this event are obviously far more severe than the consequences of the plot, the fact that we focus so much on the latter than the former is frankly an indictment of us as a society, but also on the individual level, as people.

Are you saying that the game should be responsible for TOS enforcement? You said in one breath that the forum administration (TOS) should be above the game and the next minute you are saying they should be mixed?

At least try to get your bs somewhat straight S019.

1. LT's TOS violation was an issue for the forum administration and it was addressed by the forum administration at that time. You may disagree with the severity of the sanction, but this is the wrong board for that.

The Game doesn't enforce the TOS.

2. The game internally has a law that prohibits doxxing. LT was prosecuted under that law (see my previous post).

3. In case you guys are confused, I am a Moderator, not Modadmin, not Admin, just a moderator of a low traffic board. I am just a band-aide man at best. Someone posts information here on this board, I can delete it, edit it out etc (which I did Monday morning). But if it is not on my board (or offsite), that is beyond any power that I have. I offer my input on what should be done, others offer theirs, but I don't make the final decisions (I have a lot of respect for those who do, because someone will always be pissed now matter how you play it).

I generally put a lot of thought into what I delete and moderate and I ask YE's opinion frequently.

4. YE as modadmin has moderator access to all boards and basically functions as a defacto co-mod for these boards since it is low traffic comparatively speaking and thus doesn't warrant a second dedicated one now a days.

5. The only things I have threatened to moderate in this situation are "spam/fake oaths" in the swearing in thread and I threatened to split a topic that was getting off task (without infraction).

So S019, you can drop the faux mod fascism angle.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Oh god, where do I start.

You are not going to win a battle of words with Yankee, friend. Please cease.

I will miss going toe to toe with Truman, like back in December. I don't know if he enjoyed it, but I sure did and a number of others did too until certain folks had to ruin it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

For the record I will say the "real life issues" that prevented me from doing a competent prosecution were sheer lazyness and loss of interest (I'd say last summer was when I gradually started losing interest on Atlasia). There was a period of about 1 week where I was genuinely unable to do stuff since I was on vacation and I do recall some issues with exactly how we could have been able to present the evicence or not; but that's it. I was algo genuinely busy with my life starting in mid-September since that's when I moved to Madrid irl, but that still would have left me with 2 full months to do a competent prosecution.

I believe I apologized to the people involved on private for my sheer incompetence and I will issue an apology again to the people involved (they know who they are). The fact LT is "walking on the street" is on me and my own incompetence alone and I suppose one of the biggest regrets of my time here that I was unable to give him at lest some semblance of punishment. Not like that justifies the coup attempts.

Unrelated to all of this, I did not expect S019 of all people to be the one pulling a huge angry post. S019's changes in his time in the site are huge and mostly for the better tbh.

The other thing is, had LT been convicted, the sanctions would be a ban on holding office/a ban on voting for a set time. Eventually these would have expired.

Xahar hacked someone's Atlas account. He incurred a voting ban for I think 6 months and then 9  month office ban. The incident was in December 2008, and by October 2009, he was elected Southern Governor.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Yes, and the case failed, but there is still the ability for the South or for the Federalist Party to sanction him, whether it be impeaching him as Governor or simply expelling him from the party. There are actions that you could've taken other than just the courts.

So your argument is that because the Federalists and the vast majority in the South have "a differential of legal interpretation of a particular event", you have immunity to violate Atlasian law as you desire?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Bringing back the SoIA is going to contribute to office surplus. You get too many offices, not enough competitive elections, and we already have too many offices, as you can see with random zombies taking up most positions in regional legislatures.

SoIA is one of the offices that least endangers officer surplus with the dual office holding allowance and the semi-Presidentialism concept where it can be drawn from a member of the Senate.